T-Mobile NFHS Invitational - Seattle Washington
 

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Just got a call from my assignor to work either the consolation or the championship game at the University of Washington. It's the first ever T-Mobile NFHS Invitational tournament.

If Issaquah HS is in the championsion game them I will work the consolation game. Otherwise I will work the championship game with two of my fellow officials from Seattle.

I am excited and honored to be able to do something like this.

Merry Early Christmas.

Sounds like fun. Congratulations!

Good job!

You must be doing something right to get that assignment.

Congrats! Good luck and have fun!!

Congratulations, Ron!!! Sounds great!

When is it? Maybe some of us will come and heckle you!

Ron does quite a few things right for us here in Seattle.

Great to hear Ron, glad you got the assigment. I might be to watch as well :)

Zack Schwartz

T-Mobile NFHS Invitational - Seattle Washington
 

Teams in the girls side of the tourney.......

If Issaquah wins on the 27th I will work the consolation game on the 28th at 1:00pm....If they lose I will work the championship game at 4:00pm

Collins Hill High School (Suwanee, Ga.): Ranked second in Full Court Press' National Top 25 girl's high-school basketball rankings last year.
VS
Winter Haven High School (Winter Haven, Fla.): The perennially tough Blue Devils were the defending champions in Florida's Class 5A


Issaquah High School (Issaquah, Wash.):
VS
St. Elizabeth High School (Wilmington, Del.): The second-best team in Delware

Sounds like it will be fun.

Peace

Congrats, Ron. Have a great game. Sounds like fun.

I tuned in to watch the O'Dea/Fairfax game (it's on the "VS" network). Appears they are behind schedule and there is a Girls' game going on right now.

Ok, now the O'Dea/Fairfax games is being played? Anybody familiar with any of the refs?

O'Dea (Seattle) is coached by a guy named Phil Lumpkin who played in the NBA. One of his players is the son of James Edwards of the Detroit Bad Boy fame. Fairfax (Los Angeles) has the son of Harold Pressley (Villanova/Sacramento Kings).

BTW, the announcers said they will be broadcasting all 4 games Thursday.

I won't be able to watch any of the games, but I saw Ron's picture in Referee this month. Too bad he was turned away from the camera. :)

I have a buddy who live across the street from Collin's Hill HS and another buddy who helps coach with their boys team so I get to hear alot about their teams. They've had alot of success for a relatively new school. There seems to be alot of good HS basketball in the Atlanta area.

WE are ALL excited for you! Congratulations! I know I am a little envious. I am sure you will enjoy it greatly and best wishes for an amazing opportunity! Watched a little of the Fairfax/O'Dea game on cable last night. Saw a couple of interesting mechanics, but other than that, the officials looked good.

I just watched part of the Issaquah girls game against Winter Haven. Was that Ron's game? I didn't hear if it was the championship or consolation game! I'll have to keep watching, I guess.

Hey Ron...
Let us know how your game went. I'm sure you represented your association well...you were a class act when I had the good fortune to talk to you at the 4A State Tourney in Tacoma, WA a couple years ago.

I had Fairfax in the Iolani Classic in Honolulu the week before Christmas...they squeeked out a 72 point win over a local school. How fun for us all :rolleyes:

However, they lost their next game to Vincent HS from Milwaukee and finished 5th in the tournament. I didn't see the Vincent game but I thought Fairfax was by far the best team I saw in the tourney.

Fairfax won the championship game last night over a team from Mobile, AL. Can't remember their name, but their team name is Rattlers.

I assume that the 3-man crew was local. There were 2 white guys and an African-American. They looked pretty good. Anyone from WA know who they were?

You mean 2 Euro-Americans and an African-American? :D

J/K folks...i was an hour late to work this morning. I needed a pick me up.

No offense taken. :D

Looks like Ron worked the finals game with 2 woman officials, Mary Roper and Lezley Smith if I see that right. All three are great officials. This link has articles on the play.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/highschoolsports/

Does anyone know why the shot clock wasn't used in the tourney?

Maybe because the NFHS specifically sponsored the event, they demanded that NFHS rules be used exclusively. I'm completely guessing, but if I were representing the NFHS, that's what I'd do.

Someone asked me on another board, so I'm attempting to get a firm answer.

correctable error
 

Ron,

You guys had a correctable error in the first half of your game. Just curious as to the order you shot the free throws and resumed play.

I was curious the same thing, and the reasoning/discussion that went into the decision making process--I know the Collins Hill coach didn't question it, but from what I saw, I think it was done backwards--the girl with the "and 1" should've had the lane filled as the POI, and Moore should've shot the bonus free throws with an empty lane if I saw the play correctly.

I taped the game and I will do my evaluation at the end! Good luck.:)

Let us know a bit more with what happen on this play?

I think we did it wrong.
 

Finished the and one first the went back to the 1 and 1.

Looking back I think we should have shot the 1 and 1 with no one in the lane then back to the "And 1" and played on from there......

15 years doing this and my first correctable error ever......

Me thinks we goofed......

And isn't it wonderful that it occurred in a TV game for all to see. :D

Very big of you to share and admit a mistake, Ron. We all learn from each other here. Thanks. :)

PS What info do you have regarding Tony's question on the lack of a shot clock in that tourney?

My Eval of the game
 

I watched the game and here is my eval. I think the officials did a wonderful job. I will be putting it on DVD for a training DVD for my fellow officials here in VA. It had a little bit of everything:

Time 6:12, First Quarter:

Good carry call. That was an excellent call. #5 was okay until that carry.

5:65, First Quarter:

Crash, No call. I replayed it back a couple of times and felt there should had been a whistle. #42 clearly had position and in my opinion there should have been a PC call.

49.2, First Quarter:

On the back call (good call), but she was clearly on the floor and it should have been an out of bounds spot. Team was not in the bonus, so therefore there should have not been any shots. 2 shots were given. I believe one of the female officials was talking to the coach about that and he was trying to explain that she was not in the act of shooting.

42.0, First Quarter:

There was a steal and a push in the back causing the player to go to the floor. In my opinion, that should have been an intentional foul. There was no play for the ball at all. It was also the teams 7th foul and should have been 1 & 1 shooting. The ball was spotted out of bounds.

24.0, First Quarter:

The slot should have had a whistle on this play, but the lead came across the paint to get it. It was a good pickup call, but I think the C should have got it. Good job lead!!!

24.0, First Quarter:

Correctable Error discoverd:

Failure to award a merited free throw. It was discovered no later than during the first dead ball, before the second live ball.

Should have went back to the 1-1 first, and then to the point of interuption which would have been the 1 shot left on the and-1, #5 shooting.

Second Quarter

5:54

Double Dribble or travel possible. Hard to say.

4:20

I would have passed on that foul. No much contact at all.

3:47

The Slot, no call. Lead had to come from the opposite side of the court to make the call. Lead needs to close down if a call is going to made like that. Slot needs to be strong.

3:20

Red #5 walked, no jump ball.

1:25

Jump ball situation, timeout should not have been given.

Third Quarter

7:02

Walk on Red #5. passed on the walk and called the hand check and game her continuation to the basket (NBA?) Should have been on the floor.


Nothing else worth talking about. This is just my opinion of what I saw in the game and I know that its easy to sit on the couch and evaluate. So, good job all 3 officials and I hope yall can get a tape or DVD to review. I am going to share this with my buddies so we can get better as well.

You managed to hit 2 pet peeves of mine in one post.

"On the floor" has no meaning. If I've started my shooting motion, it's a foul in the act of shooting even if both feet are on the floor. I wish officials would say "before the shot" and eliminate "on the floor" from their vocabulary.

Continuous motion applies regardless of whether we're in the NBA or in a HS game.

No problem, I dont use that in the game, but I just wanted to make sure I was understood. From what I saw, she looked like she was foul on the last dribble whistle, then two steps to the basket. Like I said, all judgement.

I didn't see it, so I'll cede to your judgment.

Many times, though, I see fouls called as non-shooting that really were in the act of shooting.

Yup, all judgement. And the official on the floor judged it be a foul in the act of shooting.

And....then the fanboys start second-guessing the official's judgement.

Huh?? 5:65? or 6:05??

My mistake
 

Sorry, 5:55!

I have no problem with his judgement.

Say what?:confused:

The official judged it to be a <b>shooting foul</b>. You stated <i>verbatim</i> though- <i>"She was clearly on the floor and it should have been an out of bounds spot. Team was not in the bonus, so therefore there should not have been any shots".</i> Iow, you're stating on the record and in a public forum that the official's judgment on that particular play was completely and unequivocably wrong. Now, I'm glad that you're good enough and wise enough to pick all that out of a tv replay, and then declare so emphatically that the official did screw up the call, over the judgment of the calling official on the court that had a different view and angle than your tv did. I will admit that I'm certainly not good enough to do that.

Keep up the great work.

Why do yo always have to make stuff harder than it is? If he thought it was a shooting foul, than so be it. I was just giving my 2 cents on the whole game because one day I may have to eval some of my buddies. I never said anyone screwed up. So, stop reading between the lines.

Again, that just confuses the heck outa me. You said that there shouldn't have been any shots. The calling official gave 2 shots. Someone sureasheck must have screwed up and was wrong on this play- and it had to be either the calling official or you.

I'm not really trying to make things harder than they are. I'm just trying to figure out why your judgement watching the game on tv was completely different than the official who had to make the call. I do a little evaluating too. In cases like this, I usually ask the official what they saw before I make up my mind whether they screwed up the call or not. I also like to see if there are any other views available than the one that I've seen. Sometimes the camera does lie, especially if the play is being viewed from different angles. But....hey, that's just me though. Shrug. Take it fwiw, which is nothing really.