Technical or Violation if
 

player goes out of bounds and then reenters and is first to touch? high school

Violation:

SECTION 2 THROW-IN PROVISIONS


ART. 6 . . . The thrown ball shall not touch the thrower in the court before it touches or is touched by another player.

Definitely not a technical to touch the ball first. Need more information to determine if it is a violation.

Please provide the scenario.

Probably not applicable. A "player" could be any of the 10 team members legally on the court. A "thrower" is one specific case only. That's why more info is needed.

In high school, "being the first to touch" is irrelevant, unless you're talking about a throw-in. But it sounds to me like your talking about a player who goes out of bounds around a screen and then comes back inbounds to catch a pass for an open jump shot.

In high school, it is a violation as soon as the player goes out of bounds. You don't wait for him to come back in and catch the ball.

(PS -- it used to be a technical foul, but was changed to a violation a couple of seasons ago.)

Then why is 7.1.1SitD(a) in the case book?:confused: That fits what the original poster mighta been referring to.

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
In high school, "being the first to touch" is irrelevant, unless you're talking about a throw-in.




As far as I can tell, it's in there to say that coming back in and being first to touch is irrelevant. (legal)

If its is a throw in, the thrower can not be the first to touch the ball.

Grrrrrr. Make me open the casebook. . . Grumble, grumble.

It's there just to dispel the myth about being the "first to touch". Being the first to touch the ball is irrelevant to whether a violation has been committed or not, as I already said. In all three situations of that case play, there was no violation for touching the ball after returning inbounds. So the touching is irrelevant to whether a violation was committed or not. The violation in (c) is for dribbling a second time; not for coming back inbounds and recovering the ball.

Which is exactly the question that the original poster asked (I think).....

That's cool. But is that what the original poster was referring to, Carnac? That case play sureashell fits what he posted imo(almost word-for-word). If so, that would make the correct answer to the OP be "neither-legal play".

Well, I didn't think so. Because he asked if it was a violation or T. I can't imagine anyone might think that the penalty for 7.1.1D(a) would be a T. Seemed more reasonable that he was asking about leaving the court to go around a screen.

But in either case, touching the ball first is still irrelevant to the question.

Not if the answer is "legal play" and the OP didn't know that.

Would it be relevant if rule 9-3 Note was the scenario in question?

Definitely not a technical...9-3-2 is the violation (maybe poster is confused because this was a T for one year and then changed back???)

Does touching the ball have anything to do with whether the play is legal or illegal?

I was referring to going around a screen or making cut to get ball. Thanks.

So, based upon all the back-and-forth you have read in here, what do surmise the answer to your question is?

And no, I'm not trying to be a smart-a$$.:) Just wondering if you learned anything.

Not quite....it was a T for a very long time. It was a point of emphasis, IIRC, shortly before it was changed to a violation.

You would need to know how the player comes to be OOB unless it was the thrower, did player get pushed or blocked OOB

Or momentum from a legitimate play (saving the ball, shooting a layup, etc.). If the player was pushed or blocked OOB, you could also have a foul.