Help Please

Ref_ Fred · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 21, 2006, 12:17pm

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I had a scrimmage and I was telling another official not to ave a 5-second count as lead (when ball is live) I know I am correct but I cna't find it in the manual anywhere. Can someone give me some direction on where to find it so I can pass it on. He was still unsure when I told him.

If it's in his/her primary why not count?

Snake~eyes · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 21, 2006, 12:42pm

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Originally Posted by Ref_ Fred

If it's in his/her primary why not count?

Because in 3-person HS mechanics the lead is not suppose to have a 5 second count. In my opinion it is stupid, you are going to have two people watch the ball. I don't understand why the lead cannot have a count.

M&M Guy · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 21, 2006, 01:24pm

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Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

Because in 3-person HS mechanics the lead is not suppose to have a 5 second count. In my opinion it is stupid, you are going to have two people watch the ball. I don't understand why the lead cannot have a count.

I agree with you, but I'm still wondering where it is written that the L does not have the count. FishinRef found the reference to "The Center or Trail, who has a 5-second closely guarded count in the front court," (Pg 48). But, again, it doesn't say the L should not have the count.

Maybe we need to have that discussion again about if something is not specifically mentioned, is it allowed, or not allowed?

Ref_ Fred · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 21, 2006, 01:45pm

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Because in 3-person HS mechanics the lead is not suppose to have a 5 second count. In my opinion it is stupid, you are going to have two people watch the ball. I don't understand why the lead cannot have a count.

In the OP, it did not make any mention of 2 or 3 man. secondly there are areas of the court that the lead is repsonble for that would require a 5 second count.

PIAA REF · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 21, 2006, 01:50pm

My origianl post was reguarding 3-man. Sorry if there was any confusion.

Junker · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 21, 2006, 02:43pm

I think the line of thinking is that there really shouldn't be a time when lead should have to call a 5 second violation. The lead is primarily there for post play. If a player is dribbling out front and then gets into the lane still legally guarded the T should be staying with the count. Besides that, it would be difficult to see a visual count from the lead on the baseline. Too many bodies in the way most of the time.

M&M Guy · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 21, 2006, 02:49pm

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Originally Posted by Junker

The lead is primarily there for post play. If a player is dribbling out front and then gets into the lane still legally guarded the T should be staying with the count.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Junker

Besides that, it would be difficult to see a visual count from the lead on the baseline.

So, are you saying just because no one can see your count, there shouldn't be one?