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mick Fri Sep 21, 2001 02:13pm

I was Lead (two-man) last night.
Ball was at the top of the arc.
A quick shot
I was looking through the lane and saw the three attempt.
The ball went in.
I saw partner may have been straight-lined.
He glanced at me.
I marked the "attempt".
He marked the score and nodded.
mick

williebfree Fri Sep 21, 2001 02:17pm

Bring on the Basketball Season!!!
 
Mick:

What kind of Basketball are you working??? City league?

mick Fri Sep 21, 2001 02:42pm

Re: Bring on the Basketball Season!!!
 
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Originally posted by williebfree
Mick:

What kind of Basketball are you working??? City league?

Michigan Girl's High School NFHS. What else?

zebra44 Fri Sep 21, 2001 03:32pm

I forgot to thank you on that last night, Mick. I couldn't see the shooter's left toe. Eye contact enabled me not to guess. (Saw 6 deer,1 skunk, 1 fox, 2 coyotes on the ride home.)

mick Fri Sep 21, 2001 04:14pm

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Originally posted by zebra44
I forgot to thank you on that last night, Mick. I couldn't see the shooter's left toe. Eye contact enabled me not to guess. (Saw 6 deer,1 skunk, 1 fox, 2 coyotes on the ride home.)
One fox, One fox/coyote, 23 cars (1 padiddle), two Trucks.
A lot of traffic in 66 miles! ;)
mick

Mark Padgett Fri Sep 21, 2001 06:28pm

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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by zebra44
I forgot to thank you on that last night, Mick. I couldn't see the shooter's left toe. Eye contact enabled me not to guess. (Saw 6 deer,1 skunk, 1 fox, 2 coyotes on the ride home.)
One fox, One fox/coyote, 23 cars (1 padiddle), two Trucks.
A lot of traffic in 66 miles! ;)
mick

When you saw the padiddle, did you kiss the coyote?

paulis Fri Sep 21, 2001 09:20pm

I have had partners who from lthe lead signal for a three point ATTEMPT before me as trail. I dont know if anything makes feel more vulnerable out there than to have my lead not only watching but signaling for three point shot attempts from the top of lthe key!

mick Fri Sep 21, 2001 09:42pm

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Originally posted by paulis
I have had partners who from lthe lead signal for a three point ATTEMPT before me as trail. I dont know if anything makes feel more vulnerable out there than to have my lead not only watching but signaling for three point shot attempts from the top of lthe key!
I agree, paulis.
And if Zebra44 doesn't look at me, I got nothin'.
mick

mick Fri Sep 21, 2001 09:45pm

That's great!
 
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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
When you saw the padiddle, did you kiss the coyote?
Good one, Mark! :D

BktBallRef Fri Sep 21, 2001 09:51pm

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Originally posted by zebra44
(Saw 6 deer,1 skunk, 1 fox, 2 coyotes on the ride home.)
What was the name of the bar? :)

Brad Sun Sep 23, 2001 04:36pm

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Originally posted by mick
I agree, paulis. And if Zebra44 doesn't look at me, I got nothin'.
Why? You know that it's a 3-pointer and that your partner missed it.

Blow your whistle and tell the table that it is a three.

Our main goal is to get it right, IMHO.

mick Sun Sep 23, 2001 06:23pm

not in this case.
 
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Originally posted by Brad
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Originally posted by mick
I agree, paulis. And if Zebra44 doesn't look at me, I got nothin'.
Why? You know that it's a 3-pointer and that your partner missed it.

Blow your whistle and tell the table that it is a three.

Our main goal is to get it right, IMHO.

Brad,
In this case he was looking, but asked for help with his glance. If he's looking, and doesn't mark, and doesn't look at me, then he saw it better than I. I trust him.
If he wasn't looking, then I can let the ref and table know.
mick

chels Fri Sep 28, 2001 08:00am

Not trying,but maybe succeeding, in being a jerk.
If the lead could see it was a valid 3pt from the baseline
to the top of the arc, it would seem to me that the player
was plenty clear of the line. But if what your saying is
that it came down to the shooter's left toe, I don't
see how the lead could or should make that call.
I subscribe to the philosophy,"See global,call local".
Either you had doubts about it or just plain got suprised
by the shot.
I have parnters who call the whole floor. Part of my pre-game is the local/global thing. If I'm stinkin that nite
then at the first time out or quarter I will tell him/her
if it isnt obvious that I'm not with it yet.
But on the other hand I will also tell him/her that they
might be reachin a little in their calls.
Whew.

Kelvin green Fri Sep 28, 2001 01:19pm

Although I agree with Brad we need to get them right, justifying to a coach that you called something from the baseline because you happened to be looking through gets you in more trouble than if you get it right.

I had a partner on the baseline, I was on top near the 28' mark when there was a pass (about 4' from me) and player jumped up with legs out. Due to my angle and closeness to the sideline I did not see a kick, and the ball was not deflected much if there was one. I was also on the side of the court about 4 feet from the coach of the team who had the ball. I passed but my partner made the call in attempt to get it right, and because he saw it looking through... The coach of the defense immediately stood up and yelled If you are watching that play out there then who's watching the paint. My partner tried to explain it but did not work, and on a couple of ensuing plays then that coach was yelling about on/ off ball coverage. At the next time out My partner ended up hitting the coach with one T and I had to get down the floor and break them up just as partner was threatening T#2. Moral of the story sometimes getting it right causes worse problems than turning to a coach and admitting that I missed the call and I'll work to make sure we dont miss many more.

rainmaker Sun Sep 30, 2001 12:51am

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Originally posted by chels ing bak
I have parnters who call the whole floor...
I worked with one of these today. He didn[t call in my area, though, just marked ALL the threes regardless of location. I soon realized that he was doing this, and I watched off ball most of the rest of the two games. it's not really the best mechanic, but it was what I pulled out of the hat for this situation. The only time it backfired was when there was a really nasty PC, which I didn't feel free to call since I only saw the result, namely two bodies on the floor. Partner no-called -- WHY? -- and we looked like idiots to miss that call. Okay so that's why we do fall ball -- getting back in shape for the season...


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