So while you are watching the same play as me, who is watching the other 6 to 8 players?

You seem to keep forgetting that part, huh?:rolleyes:

The plays you have been describing aren't secondary areas, so stop using the incorrect terms to advocate ball watching.

This is a great example...it's also a great example of a time when the T would have a LATE whistle...give the C a chance to call it, and then if they don't, go ahead and crack it...

This is getting worse. You guys are getting hit over the head with some stuff that these guys have spent years, and money, learning yet you resist. This is an example of the camper who says, "Yeah, but." Once I hear that in camp my ear perk up and I think, "This is about to get good" because that official who has an excuse is about to get the "bidness!"

LOL!!!! :eek:

Peace

It means that you're watching for illegal backside screens in your <b>SECONDARY</b> instead of watching for what you're supposed to be watching in your <b>PRIMARY</b>- which includes any illegal backside screens that may occur in your <b>PRIMARY</b>.

Dude, I can tell that your one of those guys who just likes to stir up some trouble. If you would've been paying any amount of attention you would've read that if you have nothing in your primary then instead of lounging then maybe just maybe you could cover your secondary and help you partners out...My bad, it's all about you and your area!

Let me help him out.

Tomegun--College official from several states and varsity official
Jurrassic Referee--Long time official and assignor and evaluator
Zebraman--State Final official and I believes works college ball too
BlindZebra--Varsity official (do not remember much more)
Me--Well I have already said some of what I have done
David--JV and sophomore official

Let me also add that over the years everyone on this list has disagreed with each other and I know I have had my fallings out with each one of them in some way or another. This is one thing that is very clear we all agree on without wavering. I could be wrong, but I will take my chances with the people here that have shown they know something about officiating, then a person that has no desire to move up (his words, not mine) and thinks he knows better than the conventional wisdom of very experienced official.

Peace

Dude, you don't know me. You never will.

And you got into "secondaries" to cover your azz after telling everybody that you'd go looking for illegal backside screens everywhere, not just in a secondary only <b>if</b> there's nothing going on in your primary.

The good thing is that it's starting to look like you may be actually learning something from some of the posters here, even though you'll never admit it.

Bad example.

The L has secondary coverage on a drive from C on C's side of the paint. Not the T. That is why the L "pinches the paint" if help is absolutely needed. But honestly, the C needs to work himself so he doesn't get straightlined on a drive and the C needs to make that call. The C should have worked to see the gap between the offense and defense and get that call. That is not the T's secondary area.

By definition, there are still several players on the T's side of the floor (or else the L would have rotated to the C's side earlier). Therefore the T has a job to do in this case which does NOT involve getting sucked into ball-watching the drive.

Again with the not reading - I never said I was watching the same play - I have been talking about stuff off ball, out of my primary. In 2 man, this means you are watching the ball (since it is in your primary), and I am watching something off ball, outside my primary, since there is nothing going on of any consequence in my primary (or I wouldn't habe looked outside in the first place, likely...)

Your right I don't know you and you don't know what your talking about. I NEVER , NEVER said to go looking for anything!!!!!! If I said to go looking for illegal backside screens everywhere then find it and quote me. I gave a
scenerio in regards to a backside screen that the C could pick up since it was in his secondary. Now you can take my words twist them how ever you want. I stuck to my point from the beginning. The point is THERE ARE TIMES YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE A CALL OUT OF YOUR PRIMARY. To say that you should not ever come out of your primary is just simply incorrect!!!!!! This was the original question on the OP.

Last time I checked this is a open forum. The OP had a valid question. To say that this is BLACK and WHITE and that you stay in your area and I stay in my area is incorrect.

Actually, they are. Since anything that isn't my primary (in 2 man) is my secondary, and anything that isn't your primary (in 2 man) is your secondary. Otherwise, there's portions of the court that aren't covered by anyone.

Again, I agree.

And therein we have an argument which has caused numerous problems throughout history in numerous venues.

This is the way we do it, so it must be the best and only way to do it.

Nothing like being open to different ideas. Experience wins every time. So experienced officials never make bad calls. Experienced officials never get screened. Experienced officials NEVER call outside their primary because since they are perfect and their partners are perfect, they never have to worry about anyone missing a call - because no one does.

Seems like a pretty clear statement to me.