Punch at the Table? ... again
 

It's been interesting to note the differences in how different states and areas have been told to report the TCF. Last night at the rules meeting we were told to punch straight ahead of the body... not the direction of offending team and to punch in the preliminary signal and when reporting at the table. Any other rules interpreters telling you something different?

Ohio - they want us behind the head for ALL team control fouls....punch is an optional additional signal for the charge.

We (Texas) were told at our recent regional clinic (I asked the question) to do both the punch and the type of foul signal at the table for team control fouls. PC fouls are the PC signal only.

But I don't recall if we punch in a direction or toward the table. I still want further clarification of that and will try to get it this week at the state meeting. In my view, the punch should only be used at the spot of the foul to indicate team control, we aren't shooting.

We were told the same
 

We were told the same thing. Stop the clock, punch, and then point to the spot.

They gave the option of giving the type of foul if necessary.

They didn't cover what to do at the table.

Thanks
David

Evidently they didn't read page 5 of the NFHS preseason guide. :(

Tc
 

In PA, we were told the following:

1:) Foul called (Armed raised with fist)
2:) Then lower arm and give the punch signal
3:) Then give prelim, hold, push, block ect
4:) Point to spot where ball will be taken out
5:) Report
6:) When reporting team, number then signal of actual foul push, block, hold

If anyone else from PA is doing it different let me know

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And, as noted, it's always a good idea to smile when you're doing these things.

:)

We've been told to:

At spot, blow whistle raise fist into air and then give punch signal and point to OB spot to help partners. At bench give color/number followed by punch signal and then nature of foul signal and point to spot. This is according to our RI.

At the bench, I am planning on using the punch mechanic, but verbalizing "illegal screen" or whatever the actual call was for clarification.

exactly and that's sad too.

But from reading all of the different responses given, it seems basically there is a LOT of confusion as to how this is supposed to be done.

Typical FED, we change things but don't go the extra mile to ensure conformity.

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David

[QUOTE=PIAA REF]In PA, we were told the following:

1:) Foul called (Armed raised with fist)
2:) Then lower arm and give the punch signal
3:) Then give prelim, hold, push, block ect
4:) Point to spot where ball will be taken out
5:) Report
6:) When reporting team, number then signal of actual foul push, block, hold


I agree, this is exactly how it should be done. There is no variation to it. The six steps you aforementioned is the intent of the Federation. The conformity is there we humans elect not to conform. It not that hard.:confused:

T,
Which rules meeting did you go to? I went to Alton on the Tuesday that the Cardinals were playing. They were expecting 125 and about 60 of us showed up. I have never seen so much red clothing in one room in my life! Made a Cub fan shudder in fear!:eek:

Ha Ha. I was in Paris on Wednesday night. Had a very good meeting (minus the promo crap at the very beginning :( ). It was great to see some officials that I hadn't seen since last year (still haven't seen M&M). Spent a little time after the meeting just talking to them about the upcoming season. My schedule is still a little spotty in November and December. Hopefully I'll be able to pick up a few more games.

I don't blame you, refnrev. Whenever I get down in that area, I try to squint so all that red doesn't hurt my eyes. :D

Yep, there's a lot of red. You know, all those St. Louis and Indiana fans!

I'm going to our association meeting/rules interp next week. It's one of the last dates set aside for the rules meetings in IL, so I better not get sick, or I'm in trouble...

It will be interesting to see who the interpreter will be for this meeting, and their take on the signals.

Btw, for the regular meeting portion, our guest speaker will be Mary Struckhoff. It will be interesting to see how she's received. I know there are a few that don't like what she did when she was part of the IHSA, but I always though she was getting things going in the right direction. There were a lot of older officials that liked the "status quo", and she was the one that started the clinic requirement, for example.

Any questions you would like me to ask?

Yes, player control/block double foul case book play. Get rid of it! Follow the steps of the NCAA-W. :D

Whoops! From the title, I thought this was a thread about a party.

How's about a nice Hawaiian punch? ;)
http://www.junkscience.com/images/punchy.jpg

In Connecticut we go with the:

Raised Fist
Hand behind the head
Punch forward
(Not done yet)
Signal The infraction
Point to the spot

Repeat much of the bove at the table.

Will I do it? I'll try.

Going to look like a conductor at the symphony...but I will try.

M&M,
It will be interesting to see if the people who attend your meeting understand the "One Warning" for delay. I know the people at my table were all saying that you had one warning for each infraction. At our meeting, we had to move into another room because the projector was locked up and no one had a key so we got started about 20 minutes late. The interpreter did a good job but he had a room full of obnoxiouly red-dressed Cardinal fans... and we were only about 11 miles from St. Louis .... so he knew he had to go quickly to keep people's attention. I checked afterwards to make sure I had it right, but I know a lot of guys left misunderstanding the information on that one.

Jon, you're going to do the hand behind the head and the punch for the same infraction? You should double-check that, b/c I don't think it's true. I just spent 8 hours in a car with a couple of CT interpreter, and he didn't mention anything about that.

Did he say anything about agreement of a preposition with its antecedent?

Sigh. I saw the mistake and thought about editing it, but was just too lazy. I was in the car with a couple of guys from CT and one of them was an interpreter.

I'm going to bed now. :)