Use of Possession arrow...

[williebfree]

This is a follow-up to OZ Ref's question.

As Per dblref:
The purpose of the arrow (or some other signal device) is to show which team will receive the ball in case of a held ball, double foul, OOB when neither partner knows who touched it last, etc. The direction is initially established with the initial jump ball. The possession arrow also shows which team will have the ball to start the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter. The arrow does not change until the ball is inbounded.

What are other situations? Two that I can think of are: double lane violation on free throw attempt and a lodged ball (between rim and backboard)

Any more?

Originally posted by williebfree
This is a follow-up to OZ Ref's question.

As Per dblref:
The purpose of the arrow (or some other signal device) is to show which team will receive the ball in case of a held ball, double foul, OOB when neither partner knows who touched it last, etc. The direction is initially established with the initial jump ball. The possession arrow also shows which team will have the ball to start the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter. The arrow does not change until the ball is inbounded.

What are other situations? Two that I can think of are: double lane violation on free throw attempt and a lodged ball (between rim and backboard)

Any more?

Opponernts commit simutaneous goaltending or bsket interference violations. (6-3-3-h)

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by williebfree
and a lodged ball (between rim and backboard)

That's commonly referred to as a "wedgie". Tossing a coach from a game is a "swirlie".

[Brad]

Anytime there is a dead ball and possession is unknown. For instance, say that you are going to allow a team two free throws when it should have been a 1-and-1. The shooter misses the first shot and you, the lead official, retreive it and are about to give it to the shooter when you realize that it should only be a 1-and-1 situation.

You have the ball in your hand and no one has possession -- gotta go to the arrow.

[Danvrapp]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

That's commonly referred to as a "wedgie". Tossing a coach from a game is a "swirlie".

So what is it called when you toss a coach and s/he lodges between the rim and the backboard?

[Brian Watson]

Entertainment.

[williebfree]

Boy, I hope I do not do that one! (Did you! )

Are there more instances?

[mick]

Originally posted by williebfree
Boy, I hope I do not do that one! (Did you! )

Are there more instances?

I've tried it, Willie.
Thank goodness those girls out-rebounded me.
mick

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by williebfree
The arrow does not change until the ball is inbounded.

This may seem nitpicky but that's not entirely correct.

The arrow is changed after an AP throw-in has been completed or after Team A violates.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by Danvrapp

That's commonly referred to as a "wedgie". Tossing a coach from a game is a "swirlie".
[/B]

So what is it called when you toss a coach and s/he lodges between the rim and the backboard? [/B][/QUOTE]

JUSTICE

[Oz Referee]

Originally posted by williebfree
This is a follow-up to OZ Ref's question.

As Per dblref:
The purpose of the arrow (or some other signal device) is to show which team will receive the ball in case of a held ball, double foul, OOB when neither partner knows who touched it last, etc. The direction is initially established with the initial jump ball. The possession arrow also shows which team will have the ball to start the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter. The arrow does not change until the ball is inbounded.

What are other situations? Two that I can think of are: double lane violation on free throw attempt and a lodged ball (between rim and backboard)

Any more?

So I take it you never call a jump ball? All of these examples are called as a jump ball in FIBA.

Once again, I am not trying to say that FIBA rules are any way superior to any other rules, I am just trying to learn more about different ways of doing things.

Thanks for educating a poor FEEBLE referee

Duane

[dblref]

The jump ball is only used to start the game and each ovetime period. As you can see from the comments on my earlier post regarding the possession arrow, the members of this forum are very quick to pick up on other occassions of when the possession arrow comes into play. There are a lot of good answers here and that is why I check this site at least once a day. In my area, girls basketball (class A and AA schools) starts 8/27 and this forum helps keep us sharp all year.

[Oz Referee]

Hmmm, I must admit, I find the concept of the Possession Arrow interesting, but I'm not sure that I would want to play/coach/referee with it.

The main reason I say this is as a player, I have a reputation of being an excellent defender. In the rec league I play in I am considered to be reasonably tall (6'3") and have a respectable vert leap. This being the case, I often manage to tie up the offensive player, resulting in a jump ball. I would win somewhere around 80% of these, but as I understand it, with the PA I would only get the ball 50% of the time. Is this the case?

If the above is true, then aren't I being punished for being a good defender?

I look forward to your comments....

[mick]

Originally posted by Oz Referee
Hmmm, I must admit, I find the concept of the Possession Arrow interesting, but I'm not sure that I would want to play/coach/referee with it.

The main reason I say this is as a player, I have a reputation of being an excellent defender. In the rec league I play in I am considered to be reasonably tall (6'3") and have a respectable vert leap. This being the case, I often manage to tie up the offensive player, resulting in a jump ball. I would win somewhere around 80% of these, but as I understand it, with the PA I would only get the ball 50% of the time. Is this the case?

If the above is true, then aren't I being punished for being a good defender?

I look forward to your comments....

Oz Ref,
Yeah, you are not getting your full reward as was avsailable in the "old NFHS rule", but try the shoe on the other foot. If your opponents can outplay your other 4 teammates you are now in a preferred position.
I await a rule to award the ball to the defense.
mick

[Brian Watson]

I think Oz blew his cover....He is really Dick Vitale in disguise!