Setting ball down

[bellnier]

Inner city summer league...ages 18U...10 second clock, no shot clock. All teams but one are city HS teams preparing for upcoming season, including some younger kids trying to make each team. Remaining team is AAU travel. League allows this because primary focus is keeping kids off the streets. Games not involving AAU girls are very competitive...games with AAU girls are one-sided. Here's the rules question: After AAU team is well ahead, they are instructed by their coach to do some things that are often interpreted by the other teams as "rubbing it in". Believe it or not, this league has playoffs, so when some teams meet with AAU girls again there may be some difficult-to-control emotional responses. Most actions appear to be legal. One thing bugs me though...when AAU is safely in the lead with little time left in the half, they will dribble ball past half-court line, set the ball down, and get back on defense. Is this a violation? Delay? Unsportsmanlike? Thanks.

[Jurassic Referee]

You're thinking too much imo. Just referee the game. There's no rules against the action that you described. Maybe the AAU coach just want to work on his D....who knows, who cares?

[mick]

Originally Posted by bellnier

... they will dribble ball past half-court line, set the ball down, and get back on defense. Is this a violation? Delay? Unsportsmanlike? Thanks.

Sounds tasteless and unsporting, but leave it alone.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by mick

Sounds tasteless and unsporting, but leave it alone.

Agree...

If I were that coach, I'd have my players keep playing but with restrictions on how they can play that will actually benefit them...such as:

• only dribble with weaker hand
• Long range shooters can only shoot layups
• Inside players can only shoot outside of 15'
• Layups can only be with the weaker han
• Everyone must touch the ball before a shot is allowed
• Don't allow them to dribble...passes only

As a soccer coach, I've done similar things when I've gained a substantial lead. I put players in their weakest positions...forwards played defense, defenders played forward. It made them work at something different. It gave up a couple of points because the forwards were not very good defenders.

If I were friendly with the coach, I might even make the suggestion that he try one or more of these things rather than just giving it to the other team.

[JRutledge]

If they want to play defense, let them. Leave this alone and officiate as if it did not even happen.

Peace

[ATXCoach]

Here's another situation for you guys.

I've never done this, but know a guy who has a few times. In some of the summer tournaments you only get 3 timeouts per game. Now let's say you've got a sub that you need to get in for whatever reason. You can't get a whistle and you can't waste a time out. How would you react to the coach going,

"____ (insert name) come over here and hand me the ball."

The kid does as requested by the coach. The sub is at the table. Do you call an unsportsmanlike T or out of bounds? Does the score matter? etc?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ATXCoach

Here's another situation for you guys.

I've never done this, but know a guy who has a few times. In some of the summer tournaments you only get 3 timeouts per game. Now let's say you've got a sub that you need to get in for whatever reason. You can't get a whistle and you can't waste a time out. How would you react to the coach going,

"____ (insert name) come over here and hand me the ball."

The kid does as requested by the coach. The sub is at the table. Do you call an unsportsmanlike T or out of bounds? Does the score matter? etc?

If it's one of the coach's players, call the violation. If it's an opposing player and he does so, call the "T" on the coach.

Pretty straightforward.....

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree...

If I were that coach, I'd have my players keep playing but with restrictions on how they can play that will actually benefit them...such as:

• only dribble with weaker hand
• Long range shooters can only shoot layups
• Inside players can only shoot outside of 15'
• Layups can only be with the weaker han
• Everyone must touch the ball before a shot is allowed
• Don't allow them to dribble...passes only

A couple of years back, a HS GV team I was involved with played my alma mater, whose team was not very strong. The second time we played them, coach put in some similar restrictions for the second half:
* 10 passes before shooting -- We still scored at will, which led to:
* Layup attempts only
* And on defense, all players had to stay inside the 3 point arc.

We still won big, and shot 9 for 11 in the second half (1 missed layup and a missed 3-pointer), but at least we didn't rub it in, so to speak.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bellnier

One thing bugs me though...when AAU is safely in the lead with little time left in the half, they will dribble ball past half-court line, set the ball down, and get back on defense. Is this a violation? Delay? Unsportsmanlike? Thanks.

Would you rather he continue to run up the score?

Leave it alone.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bellnier

After AAU team is well ahead, they are instructed by their coach to do some things that are often interpreted by the other teams as "rubbing it in".

Interpreted by the other team or interpreted by you? What are some of the things to which you are referring?