Stopping fanboys
 

To the moderators,

I know this is a public forum, but is there a way we could limit the number of "fanboys" that come out? Perhaps by changing the registration system?

I'm not web savvy enough to offer concrete suggestions, but anyone else out there have any ideas?

The obvious times we see them come out are the NCAA championships and NBA playoffs, so maybe restrict access to members then? Just a thought.

Go Spurs!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
...hope to see the 2nd half - life is tough when you don't have cable!

How are people going to want to join the site?

Just ignore the traffic and get over it. ;)

Peace

I'm not REALLY upset by them, but I do dislike how some of our members trash them, which then makes US look bad when it shouldn't. I'd like to protect our image and reducing the number of people who aren't posting officiating questions might help.

Just my two cents again...that makes it 4 cents so far for this post! I might hit a dime at this rate.

This is the normal cycle of things. The same thing happens on other boards on this website during the post season or major events. You are always going to have some guy that finds this site through Google and they come here and rip the officials or umpires based on what happens in the post season. Most officials I know will never come to a site like this. So if some clown wants to lump everyone into a box based on what a few people say to them that is fine with me. I have bigger problems than what some fan thinks from a far.

Peace

I would suggest that a little blurb and box checking screen be added to the member registration process. The person registering should clearly see something that says this is a site for officials or those interested in discussing officiating such as coaches, players, and parents seeking knowledge of the rules of the game. A little check the box which says: 1. I am an official, 2. I am a ..., etc. that the person has to check before registering would serve to discourage the fanboys.

Let's see...having to check a box when registering? Yep, that would stop me.

Nobody would ever lie when entering information in a internet registration form...nah...that would NEVER happen. :rolleyes:

But if they have a selection which will ask what association they officiate for or if they have a NASO or IAABO etc. memebership number that will limit the number of fanboys. I know that IAABO doesn't have a member # it does have a board # , but NASO does have a member #

Just my one cent...

Why? because it is an open forum?

At least that way you can identify the fanboy from the arrogant know-it-all. I am a firm believer that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just keep it to yourself next time. j/k :D

I will fight to the death your right to just STFU.

;)

I'm not saying that my idea would prevent anyone from actually registering. Of course, they could just make up answers to the registration questions. However, the purpose is to make the process a little more laborious and annoying. So that those who really don't care, just don't bother to complete the process. The purpose is just to discourage.

The argument is similar to those who state that registering to vote in this country is too burdensome and that is why many don't do so.
I don't believe that argument myself, but if the fanboys are lazy and just looking for a quick sound off, then they may well be turned off by having to jump through a few hoops before they get to write their drivel.

DRIBBLE _ let them play
 

I find it quite amusing when fanboys come to the site and try and put officials down. For those officials that like to fight back, they get the chance that they normally wouldn't get when some "know-it-all" comes in here and berates officials for whatever reason.

The statement that you don't like the way some officials deal with fanboys on this site therefore we should limit fanboys opportunities to come here is ridiculous. It would be more appropriate to lock out an official from a specific thread. You should be asking the officials that do this to be more professional when dealing with fans. However, if someone comes in looking for a fight, then they get what they deserve. Fans have a built in bias and are looking to get a rise out of anyone that doesn't see it their way.

Treat it like you are working a game, if you don't like it, ignore it. If it crosses a line, get administration to handle it. At least let your partner handle their business first.

No one here has much credibility in their world of officiating.

Peace

I am sorry you are disgruntled, I will remember not to ask you questions of this kind. :)

I hate to sound ingnorant, but what do you mean by the comment?

It is obvious you have to have things spelled out for you. ;)

I do not know about you, but I cannot reference a single person on this board and not have a bunch of people say, "Who?" With all the D1 officials and umpires we have around where I live, if I were to talk about what someone said from here I would get laughed off most conversations or presentations I will give. No one knows or cares who most people are on this board. Most people I personally know in officiating never come to this board because they would rather listen to Tommy O'Neil and LaMar Simpson then some guy with a funny name and identity who they have never seen work or what their background is.

Peace

Disgruntled?

Maybe you need to look up what the word "disgruntled" means.

I have always known my place on this board or any internet site. No one is going to judge me as an official by what I say here. I will ultimately be judged by what I do on the court and what I accomplish on the court. What I say here might be interesting and up for debate, but it what you do in the real world that counts.

I am also one of the very few that uses my real name and tell people where I live and where I officiate. I cannot name very many people that do either.

Peace

I hear/understand your comment by being judge on the court, yet you went ahead and judged all the officials on this board by stating in quotes"No one here has much credibility in their world of officiating. . How do you know? so they don't want to reveal who they are. Anyone who is fairly new has expressed in any post that I have read that they are new. I've been officiating for 6 year, I still consider myself new and yet I have done some high profile HS boys games. I am good enough to do D1/2/3 games but my fulltime profesion sometime stops me from doing so. You are no better than Fanboy by putting down any official on this thread.

I think you are taking my comments out of context. I am talking about what we say and do on an internet site not what we have done outside of this board. I am also not talking about how people are perceived outside this or any internet board and what anyone has accomplished outside of this board. I also think I have the right to my opinion on this whether you agree with it or not.

I think you need to tone down the rhetoric and realize that everything you just talked about yourself did not include your real name, where you live or anyone that says you are capable to work D1 ball as you claim. You did not talk about what association you are a member of or any other personal information that we can verify what you just claimed.

I have been criticized up and down by people that come to these sites over the years I have been here (longer than 6 years BTW). Outside of this board I have had some very good officials (some of the best and most respected in my area) go out of their way to help me out based on things I have said in association meetings, what they have seen when I work games or based on what others that worked with me have said. I even received a D1 opportunity in another sport based on the recommendation of an official that worked with me in basketball. He took the word of other respected officials and put his reputation on the line.

The main point I am making here is there is an internet culture that does not translate to the real world. Once again, most people here do not use their real name (that applies to you) or any other evidence where someone can find you. I have been contacted several times by people that have read this board for help in getting those contacts because all my contact information is out there and I use my real name.

I am happy you have been working 6 years as an official and you think you are capable to work some D1, but that was not the point of my comments. Remember, you said you are capable to work D1, there is no one else making that claim about you. See what I mean. ;) My last point is the fact that you only have 13 posts to your name so far, some would question your credibility based on that fact alone. I do not care how many posts you have, the more posts you have does not make you a better official or bring more light to any of your argument on any subject. Give it time and someone will probably challenge you based on the number of posts or how long you have been here under the right circumstances.

Peace

JR,

I don't believe that my tone was out of line. I may have mis-understood your post., and maybe I didn't. Your tone was condensending to all the officials on this thread. I took it that, there was no one on this thread with any creditablility.

You are 100% correct about my claim, about my capability. It's me claiming what level I can do. I would have not commented at all until I saw the post by you that Stated ""No one here has much credibility in their world of officiating. I ask again, How do you know? Becuase they don't use their real name.

So I don't have my real name, If I told you I was Bennie Adams, would you believe me, probably not. You woukld ask yourself, why would Bennie be here on this thread, no I'm not Bennie Adams. SO I put my username as "REFVA" that tells you what state I live in. As the one comment that made a whole lot of sense was " you are judge by your performance on the court". We all do. This thread enables all of us whether experienced or not to be able to voice their commenst and be able to learn something in the process. Who care's what my real names is If you want to know send me a private message and I'll tell you.


My IMO...

I felt compelled to post this, we need to honor these statements from the NFHS website as code of ethics for officials. JR, Maybe you are an NCAA official, but I believe that they have something similar

Officials shall work with each other and their state associations in a constructive and cooperative manner.

Officials shall uphold the honor and dignity of the profession in all interaction with student-athletes, coaches, athletic directors, school administrators, colleagues, and the public.

I feel that we don't do enough of that. especially what's in bold..

You have a right to your opinion. I was raised to say what I mean and mean what I say regardless of how people precieve it. If it upsets you (someone you have never met) gives an opinion, where I am from that says more about the person. I have not said anything that is untrue and this is exactly the same reasons many have told me personally they do not read these boards and why they would never respond. I have had friends and collegues read this board, but the minute they see the type of responses they dismiss the comments or take them for what they are. Some person saying this is the right way but no one at any camp has ever told them to follow such a procedure or the rules based on what is said here and here alone.

Are you telling me that "REFVA" is your real name?

I think you have missed the point. This is not about you or me and what we have done in our officiating lives. The bottom line is the general officiating public do not work with, go to camps with or are trained by those that come to this board. Just about all the officials I have the utmost respect and have worked with have never once come here and posted a single thread on this or any internet site. It is not there thing to do and I have had them dismiss this site and others based on "You do not know who you are talking to."

I would love to think that I have a vast influence on those that read this board and everything I say has a huge significance on what people do when they officiating. The reality is I am some guy from Illinois that most will never meet or come in direct contact with. Until others see me work or deal with me directly in officiating, what I say and what others say is only going to go so far. It is obvious you hang on the word of everyone that posts here, I do not and most officials I know do not either. If that was the case they would come here instead of going to camps.

Peace

An internet interaction is not the same interaction that we have with people directly. There is a reason “real” people speak directly to a real doctor (who they can verify there education and license) for medical advice or diagnosis instead of talking to a doctor on they only talk to on the internet. It is also honorable to tell the truth about the reality of a situation (you have not been able to deny what I am saying is true, you just take issue with what I said and the way I said it). Just because you say you are an official, does not make you an official in real life. You are taking these codes of ethics out of context and applying them to something that is not related. Also I do not have to in any profession agree with or take advice from someone just because they are in they hold the same profession that I do. Because you want to listen to any Tom, Dick or Harry that tells you something here, does not mean I have to buy those point of views to follow some “code of ethics.”

Peace

Hey REFVA, some advice for you...let this one go. The person you are trying to convince will NEVER admit he is wrong about anything, or that he said something wrong, or that he argues in circles, or that he changes his arguments on a regular basis, etc., etc...most of us who have been around this discussion board wish he would follow the example of "most officials in his area" - if you get my meaning...

Advice taken! Sorry for diverting the post in a different direction from the OP.

Your post is the very reason I do not listen to a word you say. Also you have <b>no credibility</b> with me or anyone I work basketball games with or in any aspect of officiating.

Peace

You'll learn that there are some pretty cool posters on this board with some pretty impressive credentials. Amazingly, they also manage to be civil and not constantly get into flame wars. Kind of like being able to ref a good game and be a good communicator and a good partner too. Others just don't get it.

Rockyroad wouldn't come out and say it, but he has some pretty impressive credentials and is also an elite ref in our state at the HS level.

Z

Ask them to select the color of the cover page of the rule book for that year. Even if this selection were to mean absolutely nothing (i.e., ANY selection would go through), some may just say,, "screw it" and not register.

Thanks ZebraMan,

My expereince has always been very good on this thread.
We all have difference of opinion, that's what makes this game tick. We learn from experience good or bad..

That question alone would spark an 100-post thread in this forum. Arguing whether different shades of a color actually make it a whole new color. :(

Sure, but before we discuss the color...which rule book?

:eek:

Ignore him. He has a history of telling everyone how they should be doing things and how things should be. Then when someone present the correct interpretation or makes a valid counter point or altnernate, he trys to divert your attention from the facts with claims like "you might get away with that there but around here..." or "you'll never move up doing that". Never mind that he's said that to guys who work very impressive schedules.


If that fails, he'll turn it into a socio-economic or racial issue or claim that someone would be offended if you said ---pick any random word--- and you couldn't possibly understand it because you're not him.

Thank you for proving my original point with your well said post. Who the hell is Cameron to me or anyone else here? (A nobody)

Peace

Ah, Don Quixote Rust is still tilting at windmills.....:D

Of course, since you are using your real name, Camron, everything that you say has to be true.

But....Camron, you did leave out <i>"Every D1 and pro official in my area agrees with everything that I post and they also do everything exactly the way that I do"</i>.

REFVA...I think JRut was saying that "no one here has much credibility in their (meaning his associates as THEIR...not any of us) world of officiating."

He could have said, "In my associates eyes, no one here has any credibility...because my associates simply have not seen anyone here work a game."

I don't think even JRut is silly enough to make a blanket statement that NO ONE on this board has any credibility in their area.

P.S. John Wayne didn't use his real name either. ;)

Hey - I've worked some rec games with Camron and he does a great job. He is extremely well respected in his association.

My only criticism of him is that it's difficult sometimes to see everything when he's your partner because of the glare. ;)

The reaction to my statements in this thread is the very reason I made the comments that I did in the first place. It is typical that someone reads something, blows it out of proportion and when all the smoke clears no one changes their mind or point of view. The bottom line outside of this board no one really gives a damn what any of us say and who we are. I feel that way because there is no Ed Hightower, Teddy Valentine, Higgins or Jim Burr that comes here to talk rules, philosophy or anything about officiating on this very board. Considering how many weekend warriors we have that come here and have talked badly about what guys at the NBA and NCAA D1 Tournament level because they do something different at the JH or HS level, I think all those conversations speak for themselves.

Peace

Don't take this the wrong way, Rut, but this is intriguing:

If no one here has any credibility, and no one here does anything the way you would, why do you even come here?

Entertainment purposes. Does there have to be some other reason? ;)

Peace

Fair enough.