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Jimgolf Wed May 03, 2006 09:10am

NBA Refs miss 5% of calls - David Stern
 
I guess you'll have to read this to believe it:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

Jurassic Referee Wed May 03, 2006 09:47am

Must be improving. I've read several press releases from the NBA head office in the last few years that had quoted a league average of 7% misses on calls.

Nate1224hoops Wed May 03, 2006 09:49am

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Originally Posted by Jimgolf
I guess you'll have to read this to believe it:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns


You don't agree with this. I would like to think that this is about right. By Stern saying "our officials miss about 5% of the calls," it sounds negative. But what if he had said "our officials are correct about 95% percent of the time. That sounds different. To say that anyone is correct about anything 95% of the time is a big statement. I would actually think it would be less in the NBA...lol. Take for instance the "spectacular move" that TNT kept showing of Labron James where he went up in the air with Haywood and held the ball til the last second before making the basket. HE WALKED WALKED WALKED. He took 2 to many steps. I think that Stern was refferring to the times when the officials DO blow the whistle, but they missing calls includes more than just the ones you call.

Ref_ Fred Wed May 03, 2006 10:09am

NBA misses 5% of calls
 
If they want to achieve 100%, they better start thinking of 5 Officials on the court.. LOL

Junker Wed May 03, 2006 10:59am

I've seen statistics like this and really I think they're crap. I don't care how many different camera angles you look at, there is no way for certain to tell if an official is 95% correct. It's not like we're calculating batting averages or shooting statistics. There are too many different game situations etc. to give a statistical number to correct calls. More imporantly to me would be whether or not my partners felt I worked a solid game, my assignor felt I worked a solid game, and to a lesser degree that the players and coaches felt I worked a solid game.

WhistlesAndStripes Wed May 03, 2006 11:12am

And the fans think it's more....
 
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sports...ion16285=66639

Note question #6.

eiguaram55ref Wed May 03, 2006 12:06pm

every teams always wants to advance for the playoffs----that;s why they
intimidate,blaming officials--SCAPEGOATING!!! NBA REFEREES ARE THE BEST
IN THE UNIVERSE,NEVER INTIMIDATE,!keep up the good work!!!!

eiguaram55ref Wed May 03, 2006 12:08pm

every teams always wants to advance for the playoffs----that's why they
intimidate,blaming officials--SCAPEGOATING!!! NBA REFEREES ARE THE BEST
IN THE UNIVERSE,NEVER INTIMIDATE,!keep up the good work!!!!

Ref_ Fred Wed May 03, 2006 12:14pm

Quote:

More imporantly to me would be whether or not my partners felt I worked a solid game, my assignor felt I worked a solid game, and to a lesser degree that the players and coaches felt I worked a solid game.
As much as I look for the approval of the Coaches and Players most of the time. Even my assignor, It's that one call they felt I should have made that they remember and sticks out most and then they give you a bad review. In general we have been doing this for many years, your crew will be honest to let you know if you've done a good job. My partner is who I look for. You hope!

ChuckElias Wed May 03, 2006 01:52pm

I think Stern should fine himself $25k for these comments. :D

Jurassic Referee Wed May 03, 2006 02:01pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
I think Stern should fine himself $25k for these comments. :D

For an extra $10,000, he could get to grab Chris Kaman's nuts.:eek:

Still trying to figger out why that one ain't worthy of a suspenion......

BBall_Junkie Wed May 03, 2006 02:06pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
For an extra $10,000, he could get to grab Chris Kaman's nuts.:eek:

Still trying to figger out why that one ain't worthy of a suspenion......

Agreed. "Testicle Fouls" should always be flagrant :D

M&M Guy Wed May 03, 2006 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie
Agreed. "Testicle Fouls" should always be flagrant :D

Groan...

I just don't don't have the balls to say something <B>that</B> bad.

rockyroad Wed May 03, 2006 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie
Agreed. "Testicle Fouls" should always be flagrant :D

I'm wondering (only slightly, mind you) what the approved NFHS signal would be for a "testicle foul". Yuck...

I'm sure Dan or JR or M7M have some clip-art picture they can supply, but I'm not really sure I want to see it.

Stripes33 Wed May 03, 2006 03:02pm

I don't doubt the ability of these offcials but until they stop catering to the superstars and call things as they happen it will never improve. Giving veterans or stars extra steps or overlooking fouls is no way improve there image. I will give them credit for finally starting to call the fouls on Shaq that should have been called since he came into the league. They need to ignore the who the players are and concentrate more on the game.

BktBallRef Wed May 03, 2006 03:19pm

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Originally Posted by Stripes33
I don't doubt the ability of these offcials but until they stop catering to the superstars and call things as they happen it will never improve. Giving veterans or stars extra steps or overlooking fouls is no way improve there image. I will give them credit for finally starting to call the fouls on Shaq that should have been called since he came into the league. They need to ignore the who the players are and concentrate more on the game.

Yeah, the superstars get all the calls. That's why Kobe Bryant was ejected last night with less than 4 minutes to play with the game very much in doubt. (PLEASE NOTE THE SARCASM.)

Traveling and fouls are called differently in the NBA than it is in college. It amkes no difference if the player is. I see rookies get away with a HS travel just like I see veteran role players get away with it. Fouls are based on a different philosophy than we call the HS game. IOW, I don't see the favoritism that so many "fanboys" like stripes33 see.

Stripes33 Wed May 03, 2006 03:24pm

I don't know what a fanboy is but I'm not the only person who thinks this way. That's why the viewership for NBA games has gone down!

sleebo Wed May 03, 2006 05:43pm

"I'm wondering (only slightly, mind you) what the approved NFHS signal would be for a "testicle foul". Yuck..."

In reply to this, I believe the appropriate mechanic was perfectly demonstrated in the movie Major League II as the player sauntered towards first base and showed Cerrano that he had "no marbles"...

sleebo Wed May 03, 2006 05:51pm

Why is everyone so up in arms about this comment? Anyone who can subtract can understand that Stern is giving the NBA lady and gentlemen credit for being right 95% of the time. As much as we all like to be perfect, that's pretty close...
Also, I watched both the regular broadcast angle and the baseline angle on the Lebron end-of-game play at least 12-15 times and IMO he did not walk. At game speed, the play would probably trick me into calling a travel, but he did not appear to change pivot feet.
Lastly, if superstars "get all the calls" (which sounds like a fan/coach comment anyways), why are Shaq and Nash getting fined for complaining about "bad" calls that did not go their way? That is all I have...Look forward to your replies.

sleebo Wed May 03, 2006 06:00pm

"Fouls are based on a different philosophy than we call the HS game."

What philosophy would that be? I have not met many referees who do not apply the adv./disadv. philosophy when calling plays.
Also, how is a "high school" travel different from any other travel? The same rules apply as to pivot foot, where a player gathers on a jump stop, etc. I had the same opinion as most of you until I went to camp this summer and saw NBA plays that were no-called (in terms of travel vs. play on) slowed down and showed frame-by-frame. Just my two cents...

BktBallRef Wed May 03, 2006 07:02pm

So you telling us that viewership has gone down because of officiating? Viewership has gone down because the superstars get all the calls? That's funny. In the 80's and 90's when fanboys were complaining about Larry, Magic and Michael getting all the calls, viewership wasn't down.

Viewership is down because the players are spoiled brats and because there's no longer a Larry, Magic or Michael playing. It has nothing to do with officiating.

Raymond Thu May 04, 2006 07:44am

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Originally Posted by sleebo
Also, I watched both the regular broadcast angle and the baseline angle on the Lebron end-of-game play at least 12-15 times and IMO he did not walk. At game speed, the play would probably trick me into calling a travel, but he did not appear to change pivot feet.

Sleebo, are you serious???? Did you miss the part after he ended his dribble, he came to a 2-step landing, then pumped faked Antonio Daniels, then took 2 steps towards the basket, then jumped off 2 feet? :confused:

Jurassic Referee Thu May 04, 2006 07:58am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Sleebo, are you serious???? Did you miss the part after he ended his dribble, he came to a 2-step landing, then pumped faked Antonio Daniels, then took 2 steps towards the basket, then jumped off 2 feet? :confused:

LOL....agree completely. That was ridiculous, even by NBA standards.

Nate1224hoops Thu May 04, 2006 11:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Sleebo, are you serious???? Did you miss the part after he ended his dribble, he came to a 2-step landing, then pumped faked Antonio Daniels, then took 2 steps towards the basket, then jumped off 2 feet? :confused:


LOL...It is so obvious and yet the NBA runs it in every single highlight of the playoffs now!! What a joke. I wonder if Stern figured that call into his 95%.

eiguaram55ref Thu May 04, 2006 01:26pm

it's looked like LEBRON makes a jumpstop then an extra step towards the
basket--he got a big,big advantage--in PRO IT'S TRAVEL.

NBA CASEBOOK 2005-06;
371. PLAYER A1 DRIVES TO THE BASKET,GATHERS THE BALL,JUMPS OFF ONE FOOT
AND LANDS SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH BOTH FEET (jump stop).WHAT IS THE OPTIONS?
---Player A1 may jump to pass or shoot but is not allowed to pivot or "step through".

Mark Padgett Sat May 06, 2006 12:57pm

Now if we could only get David Stern to say something intelligent 95% of the time we would really have something! :cool:


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