I'm feelin ornery

[Adam]

Incredibly stupid points by Charley Rosen:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5505042

Key quotes:
"The worst basketball rule on any level is the NCAA's alternating possession on a held-ball situation. The only reason why this abomination exists is because the refs aren't capable of properly implementing the tosses for jump balls."

"I don't favor the restraining arc under the basket since it makes automatic blocks of too many obvious charging violations. (This is another rule that's become necessary only because of referees' incompetence.)"

"I'd also like to see two more refs assigned to each game, both of them in off-court stationary positions — perhaps in raised chairs as in tennis. Their jobs would be limited to calling three- and eight-second violations, goaltending, and illegal defenses."

[tjones1]

Eight seconds and illegal defense??? Last I knew, they got rid of illegal defense.... did it come back?? (Obviously I don't follow the Not Basketball Association.)

[26 Year Gap]

I'd like to see Charley Rosen take the test....and then post his grade.

[ChuckElias]

He's probably referring to the defensive 3-second violation.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

He's probably referring to the defensive 3-second violation.

Ahhhh, got ya!

[Corndog89]

When did Forrest Gump change his name to Charley Rosen? And what is with the John Wooden blasphemy? One un-named ex-player says something negative and therefore it must be true???

Clearly this clown is a.....well, a clown. Just considering the source, it's hard to take his comments about officials very seriously.

[BktBallRef]

Here's your chance to fire back at Charley Rosen. Got a question or a comment:

You advocate rule changes because of referee incompetence yet you couldn't pass a rules exam, high college or pro if your life depended on it. If you're up to the challenge, come to http://forum.officiating.com/ and we'll give you an opportunity to prove you're not an idiot.

There! Let's see if he'll accept the challenge!

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Incredibly stupid points by Charley Rosen:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5505042

Key quotes:
"The worst basketball rule on any level is the NCAA's alternating possession on a held-ball situation. The only reason why this abomination exists is because the refs aren't capable of properly implementing the tosses for jump balls."

"I don't favor the restraining arc under the basket since it makes automatic blocks of too many obvious charging violations. (This is another rule that's become necessary only because of referees' incompetence.)"

"I'd also like to see two more refs assigned to each game, both of them in off-court stationary positions — perhaps in raised chairs as in tennis. Their jobs would be limited to calling three- and eight-second violations, goaltending, and illegal defenses."

I have no opinion with regard to Charlie's third recommendation. But he is on point concerning his first two recommendations.

MTD, Sr.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I have no opinion with regard to Charlie's third recommendation. But he is on point concerning his first two recommendations.

MTD, Sr.

So, a guard makes a great play to tie up the ball with the opposing center, and you prefer to have those two jump it up instead of using an AP arrow? An official's ability to throw up a straight toss has NO BEARING on the change in this rule. The AP arrow has made the game a much better game.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

So, a guard makes a great play to tie up the ball with the opposing center, and you prefer to have those two jump it up instead of using an AP arrow? An official's ability to throw up a straight toss has NO BEARING on the change in this rule. The AP arrow has made the game a much better game.

If I remember correctly (and there's certainly no guarantee of that at my age), the NF did include some statement about inconsistency in "tossing" (no - not the British slang) being at least a partial factor in changing the rule and using the AP instead of the jump on tie-ups.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

If I remember correctly (and there's certainly no guarantee of that at my age), the NF did include some statement about inconsistency in "tossing" (no - not the British slang) being at least a partial factor in changing the rule and using the AP instead of the jump on tie-ups.

Yes, the NFHS did. But I thought then and still do that that it was a stupid excuse and not a good reason.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

So, a guard makes a great play to tie up the ball with the opposing center, and you prefer to have those two jump it up instead of using an AP arrow? An official's ability to throw up a straight toss has NO BEARING on the change in this rule. The AP arrow has made the game a much better game.

You state that: "An official's ability to throw up a straight toss has NO BEARING on the change in this rule." If that is the case, then the rules committees should get rid of the jump ball to start the game. By the way, if the game officials feel that the tossing official did not make a good toss, the toss can be called back and done over again.

MTD, Sr.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

So, a guard makes a great play to tie up the ball with the opposing center, and you prefer to have those two jump it up instead of using an AP arrow?

What has a guard's great play or poor play to do with the AP? Before you say the AP "rewards" great play you should note that 50% of the time it rewards the OTHER team.

[tomegun]

The jump to start the game is ridiculous most of the time because officials don't care enough. Players can time the majority of jump balls because of hitches (a slight dip before going up) in the tossing motion. A low toss is another reason jump balls are bad. Danny Crawford, a (gasp) NBA official uses a nice toss without a dip. I use two hands and go from a bounce straight up while I'm talking so the jumpers cannot steal the tip.

How many of us have a dip that allows our toss to be stolen?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tomegun

How many of us have a dip that allows our toss to be stolen?

Wouldn't a better question be "How many U's don't call a violation for a stolen toss?"