I'm feelin ornery

ChuckElias

Jurassic Referee wrote
Wouldn't a better question be "How many U's don't call a violation for a stolen toss?"

You got that right.

Raymond

Jurassic Referee wrote
Wouldn't a better question be "How many U's don't call a violation for a stolen toss?"

I haven't called any stolen tosses, but I did call an horrendous toss back this weekend in the Boo Williams Tourney. Technically I shouldn't have b/c I was the U2, but the toss was so horrible and the U1 didn't blow his whistle so I had to step in on the that one.

tomegun wrote
...while I'm talking so the jumpers cannot steal the tip.

I talk also, but I don't bounce. I step into the circle and say "I'm going straight up" and as soon as I finish my sentence the ball is leaving my right hand...I'm a one-hand tosser (no smart remarks please 😮 )

BktBallRef

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
I have no opinion with regard to Charlie's third recommendation. But he is on point concerning his first two recommendations.

MTD, Sr.

Mark, referee incompetence have nothing to dio with the NBA's semi-circle. The rule was added by the NBA because they wanted fans, coaches, and players to understand that they did not want charges called when secondary defenders were standing under the basket. It had nothing to do with officials being unable to make the proper call.

BktBallRef

tomegun wrote
The jump to start the game is ridiculous most of the time because officials don't care enough. Players can time the majority of jump balls because of hitches (a slight dip before going up) in the tossing motion. A low toss is another reason jump balls are bad. Danny Crawford, a (gasp) NBA official uses a nice toss without a dip. I use two hands and go from a bounce straight up while I'm talking so the jumpers cannot steal the tip.

How many of us have a dip that allows our toss to be stolen?

Obviously you don't know about the "dip fake!"

I dip my shoulder but then hold it until I'm ready to toss it, not when the bohemoths think i'm going to toss.

BTW, my crew called 7 jump ball violations on jumpers this year for getting the ball on the way up.

Dan_ref

BktBallRef wrote
Obviously you don't know about the "dip fake!"

I dip my shoulder but then hold it until I'm ready to toss it, not when the bohemoths think i'm going to toss.

BTW, my crew called 7 jump ball violations on jumpers this year for getting the ball on the way up.

Who needs to fake anything?

I toss it like Tom does, 2 hands in mid-sentence but not off the bounce. I walk into the circle and get dirctly between them while saying something like "OK fellas, you ready to go? Don't hit me in the..." ball goes up "...head."

WhistlesAndStripes

Dan_ref wrote
What has a guard's great play or poor play to do with the AP? Before you say the AP "rewards" great play you should note that 50% of the time it rewards the OTHER team.

How can you use that 50% stat? You odn't know for sure which play is rewarded in each situation. YOu can say there's a 50% chance EACH TIME that the OTHER team is going to be rewarded, but, for all you know, the great guard play could end up getting rewarded everytime.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

BktBallRef wrote
Mark, referee incompetence have nothing to dio with the NBA's semi-circle. The rule was added by the NBA because they wanted fans, coaches, and players to understand that they did not want charges called when secondary defenders were standing under the basket. It had nothing to do with officials being unable to make the proper call.

Rut:

I understand why the NBA/WNBA has it I just think it is stupid and hope that the NFHS and NCAA (and don't get me started on Barb Jacobs and her lack of rules knowledge contribution to the situation) does not adopt such a rule.

MTD, Sr.

Dan_ref

Whistles & Stripes wrote
How can you use that 50% stat?

Geeze, well maybe because the alternating possession arrow actually *alternates* from team to team...and since there are only 2 teams to consider, 50% of the time the arrow will in fact be pointing at the OTHER team.

tomegun

MTD, I think the biggest problem with the NFHS and NCAA is consistency. It doesn't matter if you have the restricted area or a picture of Bozo the Clown, if games aren't called consistently people will be unhappy.

JRutledge

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
Rut:

I understand why the NBA/WNBA has it I just think it is stupid and hope that the NFHS and NCAA (and don't get me started on Barb Jacobs and her lack of rules knowledge contribution to the situation) does not adopt such a rule.

MTD, Sr.

Ah Mark, I think you are responding to Tony, not me. I did not make any posts in this thread until this very post. 😉

Peace

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

tomegun wrote
MTD, I think the biggest problem with the NFHS and NCAA is consistency. It doesn't matter if you have the restricted area or a picture of Bozo the Clown, if games aren't called consistently people will be unhappy.

tomegun:

I agree with you regarding consistiencey. The real problem concerning the guarding/screening problem is that officials are calling way too many blocks instead of charges. I am will to bet dollars to donuts that if an official had 100 bang-bang block/charge calls and called a charge 100% of the time I would say that the official would be correct at least 95% of the time which is a higher percentage of being correct that anything that the players or coachs do during the game.

MTD, Sr.

BktBallRef

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
Rut:

I understand why the NBA/WNBA has it I just think it is stupid and hope that the NFHS and NCAA (and don't get me started on Barb Jacobs and her lack of rules knowledge contribution to the situation) does not adopt such a rule.

MTD, Sr.

I'm not Rut. Never have been, never will. I'd slit my wrists first.

Now, that we have that out of the way, you must not understand why the NBA/WNBA has that rule or you wouldn't have agreed with the idiot sportswriter that it was referee incompetence.

JRutledge

BktBallRef wrote
I'm not Rut. Never have been, never will. I'd slit my wrists first.

Do you promise?

Peace

Dan_ref

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
tomegun:

I agree with you regarding consistiencey. The real problem concerning the guarding/screening problem is that officials are calling way too many blocks instead of charges. I am will to bet dollars to donuts that if an official had 100 bang-bang block/charge calls and called a block 100% of the time I would say that the official would be correct at least 95% of the time which is a higher percentage of being correct that anything that the players or coachs do during the game.

MTD, Sr.

Mark, donuts are really not so good for you.

You should bet dollars to a stir fried 6 oz chicken breast with brocolli, bean sprouts and mushrooms with a nice green salad on the side. Try it with the balsamic/olive oil dressing.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

BktBallRef wrote
I'm not Rut. Never have been, never will. I'd slit my wrists first.

Now, that we have that out of the way, you must not understand why the NBA/WNBA has that rule or you wouldn't have agreed with the idiot sportswriter that it was referee incompetence.

Rut and Tony:

This is what happens because I am blind in one eye and can't see out of the other (the number one requirement to be a sports official) and try to multi-task at the same time. There is a reason that my wife gave me bubblegum before we went to bed when we were first married and weren't ready to have children.

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Dan_ref wrote
Mark, donuts are really not so good for you.

You should bet dollars to a stir fried 6 oz chicken breast with brocolli, bean sprouts and mushrooms with a nice green salad on the side. Try it with the balsamic/olive oil dressing.

Dan:

You sound just like my wife only she is better looking (especially in fish net stockings) and has a sexier voice.

MTD, Sr.

Dan_ref

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
Dan:

You sound just like my wife only she is better looking (especially in fish net stockings) and has a sexier voice.

MTD, Sr.

I agree, your wife looks pretty good in fishnets!

😮

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

BktBallRef wrote
I'm not Rut. Never have been, never will. I'd slit my wrists first.

Tony:

Now, that we have that out of the way, you must not understand why the NBA/WNBA has that rule or you wouldn't have agreed with the idiot sportswriter that it was referee incompetence.

I think that the NBA/WNBA officials are competent, I think that H.S. officials are the one's that do the poor job of calling block/charge.

MTD, Sr.

Camron Rust

26 Year Gap wrote
So, a guard makes a great play to tie up the ball with the opposing center, and you prefer to have those two jump it up instead of using an AP arrow? An official's ability to throw up a straight toss has NO BEARING on the change in this rule. The AP arrow has made the game a much better game.

The problem with this angle is that if aguard did make such a great play there wouldn't even be a held ball. He would have gained sole possession of the ball. Likewise for the center, if it was a great play by him, he wouldn't have allowed the guard to tie it up. A held ball is a mediocre play for both teams...split the difference, go with the arrow. (NCAA tried going back the the team in control but that opened up a real pandora's box of weird situations and they quickly reverted to the arrow).

ChuckElias

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
The real problem concerning the guarding/screening problem is that officials are calling way too many blocks instead of charges. I am will to bet dollars to donuts that if an official had 100 bang-bang block/charge calls and called a block 100% of the time I would say that the official would be correct at least 95% of the time

Mark, is this a typo, or am I misunderstanding your point? You say that we call way too many blocks, but then you go on to say that 95% of all block/charge situations are actually blocks.

Kind of hard to figure that officials call "way too many" blocks if a block is the correct call 95% of the time.

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