NFHS Player leaving bench area

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

A perfect illustration of the role that officials play during a game: interpret and apply the rules, as written, in an equitable manner to achieve fairness for both teams.

I hope you and your partner received the appropriate evaulation based on your excellent judgement.

Thanks, we did.

Z

[deecee]

water is not always at the end of the bench -- many lower level games the away team has to bring their own water -- many times they dont -- so if a player doesnt have his own stash he need to go get some from somewhere -- unless you allow players to drill to get some ground water truerookie --

IMO, totally different situation. Water is located at the end of the bench area. The player crossing the division line to "display sportmanship" in not the bench area.

go ahead call this t -- the only thing you will be growing into will be a steady stream of JV games.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by deecee

water is not always at the end of the bench -- many lower level games the away team has to bring their own water -- many times they dont -- so if a player doesnt have his own stash he need to go get some from somewhere -- unless you allow players to drill to get some ground water truerookie --

go ahead call this t -- the only thing you will be growing into will be a steady stream of JV games.

Do they ignore POE's in your area, deecee?

From the 2004-05 rule book:
POE 3A: The committee is also concerned about bench personnel leaving the bench, sometimes during a live ball. Heading into the hallway to get a drink or sitting up in the stands with friends or family, even for a short period of time are not authorized reasons unless they are medically related. Coaches must ensure that bench personnel stay on the bench."

The idea behind the idea was to not have bench personnel wandering all over the place and remain in their bench area. We instuct our officials to enforce the POE with a "don't do that". Iow, just shoo 'em back to the bench if they're wandering. If they don't wanna listen to you, hey, then it's on them. If our officials don't want to enforce it uniformly the way that we advise them to, then they ain't gonna get JV games.

[deecee]

why are they concerend about bench players leaving their bench to get a drink? what concern is that of ours? that to me is the coaches problem and not the officials -- if there is a good reason then let me hear it.

[26 Year Gap]

I am guessing that since asst coaches are not allowed to stand [except for the exceptions], that the players who are deemed bench personnel fall into the same category.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by deecee

why are they concerend about bench players leaving their bench to get a drink? what concern is that of ours? that to me is the coaches problem and not the officials -- if there is a good reason then let me hear it.

Well, as 26 Year said, it's supposed to be an automatic technical if bench personnel are on their feet, let alone going for a tour. If you allow one to do it, then you gotta allow all of them to do it too. I really can't see the logic in letting 6 or 7 kids from the bench go over and chat up the other team's cheerleaders. Other than that, coaches are supposed to be responsible at all times for their bench personnel if something does happen. And if something ever does happen to a team member that the coach and the officials have allowed to wander, well then both our butts are gonna be in deep doodoo. There's enough crowd control problems around now without our having to worry about players getting up close and personal with the crowd also.

It's not really the idea of just going for a quick drink. It's a matter of the FED wanting to make sure that bench personnel are being properly supervised at all times during a game. And if you don't even know where a kid is, your sureasheck can't say that they're being supervised or under some kind of control.

That's my understanding of the logic behind the POE and the rule restricting a team to their bench.

[26 Year Gap]

At least you're consistent!

[Dribble]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Heading into the hallway to get a drink or sitting up in the stands with friends or family, even for a short period of time are not authorized reasons unless they are medically related.

Personally, I ignore a player going to get water...especially if he/she just played his/her butt off. I don't want to be responsible for a player getting dehydrated and sick from that causing a medically related situation. Sure, it was their responsibility to have their bottle filled beforehand, but if the player needs water at that moment, then take the walk. As long as it's not disruptive, then it's ok by me.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dribble

Personally, I ignore a player going to get water...especially if he/she just played his/her butt off. I don't want to be responsible for a player getting dehydrated and sick from that causing a medically related situation. Sure, it was their responsibility to have their bottle filled beforehand, but if the player needs water at that moment, then take the walk. As long as it's not disruptive, then it's ok by me.

Dribble, you do realize that the statement that you are disagreeing with isn't mine, I hope. It's cited directly out of this year's NFHS rule book. Iow, you are saying that the rulebook should be ignored.

[Dribble]

Yup, I do recognize it and I'm not saying that to be argumentative. I'm just saying that if a kid is going to drop because he/she needs water, then I'm not going to stop it.

I know it was a POE, but the intent of that was to prevent unnecessary foolishness on some players' parts. Some kids think they can do whatever during the game, so the NFHS came up with that to curb such behavior.

I'm not suggesting we ignore the rulebook, but use our discretion and judgment as to when to apply it.

[bbcoach7]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Do they ignore POE's in your area, deecee?

From the 2004-05 rule book:
POE 3A: The committee is also concerned about bench personnel leaving the bench, sometimes during a live ball. Heading into the hallway to get a drink or sitting up in the stands with friends or family, even for a short period of time are not authorized reasons unless they are medically related. Coaches must ensure that bench personnel stay on the bench."

Just wanted to add- I tend to agree, stay on the bench, coach do your job and take care of the team by traveling with drinking water. Players- stay the hell out of the stands unless you want to watch the rest of the season from there.
HOWEVER...
staying hydrated could be considered medically necessary

[26 Year Gap]

In MY day, we waited till halftime to get a drink and then when the game was over. These kids today.....