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tomegun Thu Mar 30, 2006 02:03pm

JR, I'm just going to call the game from the "roota to the toota" - that means from the beginning to the end. :p

All this talk about tight and loose is poo poo to me. Every game is different and we have to adjudicate (nice word) it accordingly.

At the end of the day - and the end of this thread :D - what would make you feel better:

1. passing on this call when many have admitted it looked like an offensive foul in real time
2. make the call and deal with the evaluators

I would take #2 all day long. Most great things or great people do not happen by being PASSive.

All_Heart Thu Mar 30, 2006 02:21pm

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Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops
I understand your point and follow clearly. No there hadn't been any other palming violations called in the UNCON game and no advantage was gained, but it was palming.

I think I remember a palming violation called early in this game.

Nate1224hoops Thu Mar 30, 2006 02:22pm

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Originally Posted by All_Heart
I think I remember a palming violation called early in this game.

Don't think so, but I may have missed it.

Jurassic Referee Thu Mar 30, 2006 04:38pm

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Originally Posted by icallfouls
You were the one who brought up consistency. As far as different situations,<font color = red> end of game situations are different than the rest of the game.

If we have been calling it tight in those moments before the last play of the game, we stay there</font>.

Why would you stay there?:confused:

If "end of game" situations are <b>different</b>, then why would you call it the same ol' <b>consistent</b> way that you have been instead of loosening up? :confused:

Jurassic Referee Thu Mar 30, 2006 04:41pm

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Originally Posted by tomegun
JR, I'm just going to call the game from the "roota to the toota" - that means from the beginning to the end.

That's just what I try to do also....<b>hopefully</b>....:)

rockyroad Thu Mar 30, 2006 04:47pm

To summarize my opinion of last second calls: When someone says something about the end-of-game situations, all they are saying is "let's make sure we are right" or "let's not guess"...I really have never worked with anyone who had the philosophy that it "has to be hard/bad/major contact" to be called in the last minute...all I ever point out is that we need to be sure. If it was a foul earlier in the game, it better be a foul now. If it wasn't, it better not be now. I/we do not call the game differently in the last minute, we just want to be certain because - like it or not- those last second calls do have more of an impact on the game - at least in coaches/participants/evaluators/assignors minds...

Jurassic Referee Thu Mar 30, 2006 04:57pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
To summarize my opinion of last second calls: When someone says something about the end-of-game situations, all they are saying is "let's make sure we are right" or "let's not guess"...I really have never worked with anyone who had the philosophy that it "has to be hard/bad/major contact" to be called in the last minute...all I ever point out is that we need to be sure. If it was a foul earlier in the game, it better be a foul now. If it wasn't, it better not be now. I/we do not call the game differently in the last minute, we just want to be certain because - like it or not- those last second calls do have more of an impact on the game - at least in coaches/participants/evaluators/assignors minds...

Amen........

M&M Guy Thu Mar 30, 2006 04:58pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Amen........

Yep, I agree with rocky.

tomegun Fri Mar 31, 2006 06:34am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
To summarize my opinion of last second calls: When someone says something about the end-of-game situations, all they are saying is "let's make sure we are right" or "let's not guess"...I really have never worked with anyone who had the philosophy that it "has to be hard/bad/major contact" to be called in the last minute...all I ever point out is that we need to be sure. If it was a foul earlier in the game, it better be a foul now. If it wasn't, it better not be now. I/we do not call the game differently in the last minute, we just want to be certain because - like it or not- those last second calls do have more of an impact on the game - at least in coaches/participants/evaluators/assignors minds...

Nate, with the experience you said you have these comments should be automatic for you - for all of us. At the end of a game, whether it is the last two minutes or whatever, we have to be right. A team cannot overcome our mistake at the end of a game.
Isn't it funny that it has taken days and many replays to hash this out and the official had to make an immediate decision? I think that decision wouldn't really be questionable without many replays, so what is the big deal. Worse things have happened.


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