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biz Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:34am

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Originally Posted by jeffpea
I thought J.D. had a very good game.

This brings up an interesting point...The committee is evaluating individual officials to determine who advances to the FF, but how much does the crew's performance help/undermine an official's individual performance rating.

IOW...if your partner(s) kick a couple big calls in a regional final or semi-final how much do you think your chances of advancing are hurt, and conversely is it possible to ride your partner's coattails to the FF even if you didn't have a great game?

tomegun Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:42am

I think it helps when your crew has a good game and you make a call that separates you from the pack.

Of course, name recognition goes a long way too!

rulesmaven Thu Mar 30, 2006 06:31pm

I wonder if it makes a difference which teams advance. Does it make a difference for Harris whether or not Villanova or BC had moved on, or to guys like Higgins (the younger) if Connecticut had moved on.

Does it matter if you've previously called a closely contested game in a prior final four involving a particular team? For example, does Tim Higgins get the call if UConn advances?

It would be interesting to see whether the officials who ultimately get the nod were involved in any of the prior games in the tournament involving the teams in the FF.

jeffpea Thu Mar 30, 2006 07:13pm

Tim Higgins and Bryan Kersey are working the NIT Champ. game that just started - so cross them off "the list"....

Daryl H. Long Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:40pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
The following officials are eligible to be selected for the Final Four:

Bruce Hicks, David Hall, Jim Burr
Bryan Kersey, Karl Hess, Ted Valentine
Gary Maxwell, Mike Sanzere, Randy McCall
Curtis Shaw, Gerry Pollard, Pat Driscoll
Verne Harris, J.D. Collins, Hal Lusk
Robert Donato, John Hughes, Raymond Perone
David Libbey, Joseph Lindsey, Tom O'Neill
John Higgins, Steve Skiles, Patrick Adams
Richard Cartmell, Terry Wymer, John Cahill
Timothy Higgins, Tom Lopes, Reggie Greenwood
Scott Thornley, Tony Greene, Zelton D. Steed
Ed Corbett, Ed Hightower, Tom Eades



Who do you think will be the 10 chosen?

(Note: Steve Welmer is not on the list.)


My guesses:
1st semi: John Higgins, Hicks, Shaw
2nd semi: Burr, Kersey, Donato
Final: Greenwood, Greene, Maxwell
alt: Wymer

Nevada,

I see you have Terry Wymer as an alternate. He lives about 8 miles away from me and I see him often but not within the last two weeks to pick his brain about his thinking on this subject.

jeffpea thinks Wymer as a rookie may get his shot next year.

Just curious about your reasons you include him as your alternate. What qualities did you see him exhibit that made him your choice.

From what I have seen:
Great poise.
Pressure does not faze him.
Excellent mechanics and rules knowledge.
Makes calls without bringing undue attention to himself.

Nevadaref Fri Mar 31, 2006 09:58am

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Originally Posted by Daryl H. Long
Nevada,

I see you have Terry Wymer as an alternate. He lives about 8 miles away from me and I see him often but not within the last two weeks to pick his brain about his thinking on this subject.

jeffpea thinks Wymer as a rookie may get his shot next year.

Just curious about your reasons you include him as your alternate. What qualities did you see him exhibit that made him your choice.

From what I have seen:
Great poise.
Pressure does not faze him.
Excellent mechanics and rules knowledge.
Makes calls without bringing undue attention to himself.

I've never met him, never seen him work before, and was not aware if he had been in the NCAA tourney prior to this year. That said, I thought that he did solid job. In the WSJ article Hank Nichols stated that he wants fresh faces to work the later rounds of the tournament and tries to include a guy who has never been there before. So I just put him on the list.
I don't know anything special. Just a guess.
If he gets an assignment, good for him. When you see him, please tell him that his good effort was noticed.

Mark Dexter Sun Apr 02, 2006 07:00pm

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Originally Posted by jayedgarwho
Who was the official under the basket as Shinn shot the 1-and-1 with 5.6 seconds left in regulation of the UConn-GW game? No doubt a good official, but you would think that it would not escape notice that he walked into the play to retreive the missed FT, mistakenly thinking it to be a 2-shot foul. Luckily, the UConn guys outrebounded him!!

GW hasn't played UConn in the past several seasons . . . :mad:

rulesmaven Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:22am

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
GW hasn't played UConn in the past several seasons . . . :mad:

Be a fun game, though -- grizzled old coach against his former assistant. Heck, they probably still love each other so much you might not even need refs.

jeffpea Mon Apr 03, 2006 01:40pm

The answer is Zelton Steed. Very good official who works the Big 10 and several other midwest-based D1 leagues.

zeke Sun Sep 17, 2006 06:16pm

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Originally Posted by jayedgarwho
Who was the official under the basket as Shinn shot the 1-and-1 with 5.6 seconds left in regulation of the UConn-GW game? No doubt a good official, but you would think that it would not escape notice that he walked into the play to retreive the missed FT, mistakenly thinking it to be a 2-shot foul. Luckily, the UConn guys outrebounded him!!


I am the guy who was under the basket. If you noticed the ball rattled and came out. I thought it was going in. Luckily I still rebound as I did in college--very badly.

zeke Sun Sep 17, 2006 06:17pm

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Originally Posted by jeffpea
The answer is Zelton Steed. Very good official who works the Big 10 and several other midwest-based D1 leagues.


I appreciate that compliment.


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