The local high school refs are concerned about how our pay per game compares to the rest of the country. As you all know the price of gas has gone up greatly the past 2 years, but our game fees have not. Locally we call 2 varsity HS games (1 girls and 1 boys) in a 3 man crew and each get paid $65 for about 5 hours of travel and game time. I think this is way too low for what we do for State High school Asociation. What is everyone else making a night or per game?

$65 for two varsity games? Wow. But then, you're not really doing it for the money anyway, right? :)

We've had this discussion before and the fees run anywhere from about $40 for a varsity game to $95, depending on the area of the country. Those are 2-whistle fees.

You're worse than some, better than others.

Chuck, if the known fees range from $40 on up per game & he gets $32.50 per game he's worse than everyone.

But the $40 is for 2-whistle and he works 3-whistle.

...and....? Does that make his $32.50 somehow worth more than $40?

(Sorry for the diversion kycat1, we'll get back to you in a second.)

But hey, ain't it all about the kids, not the officials, right? :rolleyes:

Maybe it's those low fees that is leading to all that discord among officials in Kentucky. After only getting $65 for working a Varsity double-header, I can see why it's a big deal to work one of those $55 State games.

...and....? Does that make his $32.50 somehow worth more than $40? [/B][/QUOTE]No, but maybe the pay scale for 3-whistle is considerably lower around the country. I have no knowledge of that information. Maybe the pay scale for 3-while is from $30-$50 per game, depending on location. In that case, he's again on the low side, but not the worst.

I just didn't want to be accused of comparing apples and oranges. Instead, I get accused of not being able to compare 40 and 32.50. I can't win.

Why don't spend your time coming up with a better format for the NCAA tournament, instead of torturing me with nit-picky commentary. Oh wait, you're doing that in the other thread, too.

In Central Jersey - $52.50 for Freshman; $52.50 for JV (boys or girs). I walk out with a $105 check everyday. And, I've heard complaints about that. The Varsity guys get $67.50 for two man crew.

No, but maybe the pay scale for 3-whistle is considerably lower around the country. I have no knowledge of that information. Maybe the pay scale for 3-while is from $30-$50 per game, depending on location. In that case, he's again on the low side, but not the worst.

I just didn't want to be accused of comparing apples and oranges. Instead, I get accused of not being able to compare 40 and 32.50. I can't win.

Why don't spend your time coming up with a better format for the NCAA tournament, instead of torturing me with nit-picky commentary. Oh wait, you're doing that in the other thread, too. [/B][/QUOTE]

:p

Oh, and btw, there's a typo in your post. Can you spot it?

Piedmont section of North Carolina:

$67.50 per official for two JV games (2-man crew)

$75.00 per official for two V games (3-man crew)

Western NY

$53 for one JV contest

$75 for one Varsity contest

Rarely, if ever, do you do a doubleheader.

2 man crews

Western Wisconsin the pay is:

Varsity Reserve $35.00 (2-whistle)

Varsity $50-55.00 (2-Whistle and depending on the conference).

We normally will not do doubleheaders unless there is an unusual circumstance (official gets hurt, not show for whatever reason). We are toying with the 3-whistle. Our state association implemented 3-whistle for our state tournament. It is not the norm for the regular season and to be honest with you some of the administartors, coaches, athletic directors are against it and my guess is that it has to do with the budget.

I aplogize for digressing.

Hampton Roads, VA

All game fees are prior to 8% commissioner's fee being subtracted
Boys & Girls fees are the same
All games Varsity except where noted

Peninsula District (AAA schools)
Boys (3-man)/Girls (2-man) $67.50
Play-offs: all 3-man except for Girls quarterfinals

Bay Rivers District (AA schools)
2-man $60.00 (2 schools have $20 travel fee split between 2 officials)
Play-offs: all 3-man Boys & Girls

One particular Single-A school
3-man JV/Varsity Doubleheader $75.00 (plus $15 travel split between 3 officials)
X-mas tourney (Varsity only): 2-man $60 (plus $15 travel split between 2 officials)
Post-season (Varsity only): 3-man $60 (plus $15 travel split between 3 officials)

Independent Schools
2-man $35-$60

[Edited by BadNewsRef on Mar 15th, 2006 at 04:50 PM]

Around the southern part of IL, JV is about $40 (two man), and $50 for varsity boys (usually three man).

For girls, you usually work both games, three man for $60.

7/8th, both games is 40 and well as Fresh/Soph.

I have a feeling that California is near the bottom, can anyone confirm? I think the median home price in our area is now about $600,000 which makes it a travesty for all who work with kids. School funding made a beeline for the low 40's of 50 states in 1977 and hasn't moved back up - which brings me to my question:

Does officials' pay coincide more with funding for schools, popularity of sports or density of population?

Completely ignoring bebanovich's complex economic discussion, I"ll just report on ref pay in the Portland, Oregon area.

Varsity is around $45
JV is around $40
Frosh around $38 ish
JH $25? $28?

It depends on which size school. Girls/boys games are the same pay. If you do a doubleheader, you get the sum of what you would have gotten if you did those games separately. All games are 2-whistle.

Mine was more complex than that? :)

I would think that it has less to do with school funding than it has to do with the cost of living for a particular area. For example, NY is going to have higher ref fees than the midwest because EVERYTHING in NY costs more.

I would say that you could get a pretty good idea of where an area's ref fees are by looking at the price of homes in the area. There should be a decent parallel.


Now for the current per game fees in NV:
Varsity 3-man(large schools): $46 per official
Varsity 2-man(small schools): $56
JV 2-man: $40
Frosh 2-man: $40
Plus there is a travel fee of 40.5 cents/mile when driving out of town.

Northern VA:

Freshman (2 whistle) - $45
JV (2 whistle) - $45
Varsity (all are 3-whistle) - $60
Clock in Varsity game - $30
(We do this in 15 -20 schools)
Rec ball (all 2-whistle) is $32-$38

So, someone doing a F/JV DH and the clock in the varsity game would make $120.00. Not a bad night's pay.

Southern New Jersey:

$62 for two-whistle varsity
$52 for three whistle varsity
$44 frosh and JV
$35-44 junior high

I don't think it's bad at all, but a lot of our guys have been complaining because the rates have been about the same for the last five years.

The "cost of living" statement makes sense to me. What about Hawaii? EVERYTHING cost more there. Anybody working games there?

Wow Major! You guys still use two man for JV?

NY is a big place, I'm betting it's as cheap or cheaper to live in Endicott than it is to live in many midwest areas.

Yes, in my area (around Hickory, NC). Not sure about other parts of the state.

BktBallRef what part of NC are you in? What association are you in?