Correctable Error

[Time2Ref]

I'm having problems understanding the NFHS rule 2-10 covering correctable errors. 2.10.4 seems to conflict with 2.10.5. I am probably making it too complicated, so I need help.

2.10.4: If the error is a free throw by the wrong player or at the wrong basket, or the awarding of an unmerited free throw, the free throw and the activity during it, other than unsporting, flagrant, intentional or technical fouls, shall be canceled

States the free throw and the activity during it....shall be canceled.

2.10.5: Points scored, consumed time and additional activity, which may occur prior to the recognition of an error, shall not be nullified. Errors because of free-throw attempts by the wrong player or at the wrong basket shall be corrected by applying 8-1 and 2.

states Points scored, ........shall not be nullified.

Seems like art. 4 says the activity during the free throw shall be canceled, but art. 5 says points scored shall not be nullified.

Does this mean that points are not part of the activity of a free throw?

HELP!!!!

[Nevadaref]

When 2-10-5 says points scored, it means other baskets or FTs which were merited and were made following the error, but before it was recognized. You never count the points from erroneous FTs.

For example, A1 is fouled and it is Team B's sixth of the half. However, the officials erroneously award A1 the bonus. A1 makes the first FT and misses the second. B1 rebounds the ball and passes ahead to B2 who scores a basket. During the dead ball after the goal, the scorer sounds the horn, the game is stopped, and the officials are informed of the error.

What 2-10-5 is telling you to do, is to COUNT the basket by Team B, but the point scored by A1 on the unmerited FT is cancelled per 2-10-4. Also, you don't put any time back on the clock and the game continues with an end line throw-in for Team A.

Hope that helps clarify this for you.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Time2Ref

States the free throw and the activity during it....shall be canceled.

What Nevada said.....

Anything that happens during an unmerited free throw, a free throw by a wrong player or a free throw at the wrong basket is cancelled. Anything that happens after that unmerited, wrong etc. free throw ends until the officials recognize the error is not cancelled.

[Rick82358]

you cancel what was wrong and the actions that took place as a result of the wrong thing, and you keep all of the right stuff.

Wrong stuff - bad - goes away
Right stuff - good - stays.

you just need to make it that simple
(no intent to insult anyone)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Rick82358
you cancel what was wrong and the actions that took place as a result of the wrong thing, and you keep all of the right stuff.

Um, not really, Rick. You don't cancel any actions that occurred after the free throw ended...... and those actions took place as a result of the wrong thing. No?

I think that you're making this more complicated than it really is.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

What Nevada said.....

Anything that happens during an unmerited free throw, a free throw by a wrong player or a free throw at the wrong basket is cancelled. Anything that happens after that unmerited, wrong etc. free throw ends until the officials recognize the error is not cancelled.

What this implies (to only add to the correct responses) is that if a common foul is committed while the FT is in progress, that foul is canceled. Example. A1 has the ball for the FT. While the ball is bouncing on the rim, A4 fouls B5. The officials discover the error. The ball is given to A for the throwin and the foul by A4 never happened.

[Time2Ref]

Thanks, it makes a lot more sense when you word it that way and include a simple example.

I am sure that knowing exactly what to do when a correctable error occurs will be the difference between an error and a nightmare.

Thanks again.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

What this implies (to only add to the correct responses) is that if a common foul is committed while the FT is in progress, that foul is canceled. Example. A1 has the ball for the FT. While the ball is bouncing on the rim, A4 fouls B5. The officials discover the error. The ball is given to A for the throwin and the foul by A4 never happened.

Just for fun, let's say that in this last scenario Team B is in the bonus, so B5 goes to the other end and shoots 1-and-1 without any time having come off the clock since the error. He makes both FTs. Now Team A inbounds and is called for traveling. During this dead ball the error is discovered. How do you administer that one?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Camron Rust
if a common foul is committed while the FT is in progress, that foul is canceled. Example. A1 has the ball for the FT. While the ball is bouncing on the rim, A4 fouls B5. The officials discover the error. The ball is given to A for the throwin and the foul by A4 never happened.

So what if the foul is committed after the ball has fallen off the rim and it's clear that the FT will not be successful? Technically, this foul has not occurred during the FT. If everything else stays the same in Camron's scenario, would we cancel the foul?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

So what if the foul is committed after the ball has fallen off the rim and it's clear that the FT will not be successful? Technically, this foul has not occurred during the FT. If everything else stays the same in Camron's scenario, would we cancel the foul?

No. The foul happened "after", not "during", the FT.