Here’s the situation from a high school regional championship game. Even though my daughter’s school lost…I can honestly say it was an excellently call game. In Texas, at the beginning of the year we were told that when player pops his jersey toward the other team (puts his thumbs under his shoulder straps and hold the jersey out away from his chest) that is a T for taunting. With that in mind…

Home team hits two FTs to go up be 2 with 11 seconds left after the visiting team erased an 11 point 4th quarter deficit. Visitors advance the ball to their front court and call time. After the inbound play, the shot from the free throw line is partially blocked. There is a scramble for the ball, visiting team secures it but cannot get a shot off…clock expires…place starts going nuts. I happen to look right at one of the officials who his looking at the table (apparently to see the “thumbs up” sign being given that all is OK). Between me and the official, there is a player from the home team who is facing the visiting bench and “popping” his jersey. Odds are good, but not 100%, that he saw what I saw.

Question…if you were in that situation, would you see the “taunt” and call the T? Official either did not see it or passed. Given the circumstances…I think “I would not have seen it”. :rolleyes: Visiting coach didn’t react or say a word…just congratulated the other team and left them to their celebration.

Gonna see a lot of that in the coming weeks on TV.
High school players learn from College players.
If the NCAA officials allow it, it will remain a problem.

Your sitch was post game and one doesn't "really" know if the kid was showing his jersey to an older brother or to an opponent.

There's not really good place to go with this, except to go away.
mick

I'm outta there.

Using the jersey in this way, no matter who you're showing it to, it's still a T.

That being said, if I'm the official, the only thing I'm going to see here is the table official giving me the thumbs up, and then I'm getting the hell outta dodge.

Dunno. Where is that an automatic? Still looks like judgement.

GW and West Virginia game ...maybe.
A player ripped off his jersy after the game. TV saw it.
Where was the "T"?
mick

I'm not even looking for a thumbs up. A timeout was called at the end of the game and I think everything could have been checked then. After the game is over I walk, with a purpose, off the court.

I know someone who had a game (JC) that was getting kind of dirty towards the end. He felt like the crew should have waited on the court to make sure a fight didn't break out during the handshake. I don't agree with this at all. Again, when the game is over I'm gone. I'm not going to avoid anything but if something happens it will more than likely have to be between me and the locker room.

It's automatic. POE 1A in this year's rulebook- <i>Players are increasingly using their uniforms in unsporting ways. Examples include: Holding the uniform out from the chest area to display the team name <b>to opponents or fans</b>"</i>.Iow, it doesn't matter whether he was showing his jersey to his older brother or an opponent; both are technical fouls, as per the POE.

Whether you actually call it though isn't automatic.

Sounds like a decent subject for another thread:<LI>Which post-game antics are considered automatic Technical fouls?
mick

How fast to the locker room?
 

Buuubye!!!!

Peace

If he wants to stick around to see if a fight breaks out means only one thing: He must officiate soccer.

Because like you, I am out of there.

MTD, Sr.

I agree with both of you, I am heading towards the locker room. I know the official that Tomegun is talking about, I wouldn't hang around either in that situation.

I watched two friends of mine work a regional final on Saturday and it was one of the best HS games I've seen. Ended 72-70 and my friends went off the court. About 15 seconds later there was almost a brawl and all I could think while watching the coaches trying to break it up was: THAT'S why you get the heck off the court on the final horn. Who would WANT to see that?

Shame on those parochial schools!

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
 

REALLY!?! To quote another poster on this board...

Re: Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
 

You must call about 50 3-second violations in every game if you're going to follow the rulebook that closely.

You're coming in on the tail end of a discussion between Larry and myself, Trigger. Your assumption is incorrect.

Re: Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
 

Wasn't the OP AFTER the game, not at 'a critical moment?'

If the T is called, the winner of the game could change. You don't think that's critical? :confused:

Guys, I don't think the call should be made either. But Larry chastised me in another thread because I agreed with the official who failed to call a FT violation on the offense during the first of two FTs in the Carolina-Duke game. That's where I got his quote from. I curious to see why he thinks one call should have been made but not the other.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Mar 9th, 2006 at 11:29 PM]

Noted. Thanks.

Fair question...no lets see how this logic flys.

If I see someone violate the lane (or the arc restrictions) druing a game I know they are guilty. How much intelligence does it take to look down? Besides, those rules have been in place for years.

Popping the jersey being considered an unsporting act and subject to a T is a new rule this year. Given that (1) the player may not actually be taunting the other team...it was in an arena with fans of each team on all sides...and (2) in the thrill of the moment he may have forgotten the new rule...I pass on the T this time.

Not to try to divert attention from my response, but would this be a good thing to cover in the pregame (not that they would remember) or mention to the coaches as the game winds down? Just something quick as they are breaking their huddles after a time out..."Coach, remind you players about the new jersey restrictions. I'd hate to see a Tech decide this."

Hmmm...

BTW, did I wiggle out suffeciently or do I still need to plead guilty to having a double standard? :(

I don't think that the official who calls a T on a player for the jersey action AFTER THE GAME is going to work many more big games. Or do you think I'm wrong? Passing on that call is NOT the same thing as passing on a call when the game is in play. It's quite simple. You just don't see it. So far, nobody has said, "I'd make that call!"

Nope, your logic doesn't fly and you can't wiggle out of it either.

You want the rules called as written- no exceptions. Well, as I've already cited before from the POE, it's a technical foul by rule for a player to pop his shirt at the <b>fans</b>. It doesn't matter <b>what</b> fans either; it's a "T". There ain't no wiggle room according to the rule book either.

If you're going to pass on that call, but still insist that a different rule <b>must</b> be called as written, then I'd sureasheck have to say that you're applying a double standard, Larry.

Double standard.

Whether it's facing the opposing bench and popping the shirt, grabbing your nut, or saying something inappropriate, it's all unsporting. There's nothing new about that.

I asked this question in the other trhead but I don;t know if you answered. If you saw a player with his toe touching the block on a FT, would you call the violation or simply remind him of where his foot shouldn't be?

I'll raise my hand and plead guilty. Guess that's another sign that I am not perfect...as a human and an official.

As for your question...let's see. I almost always say before passing the ball to the shooter, "Hold your spots, watch the paint, [number of shots]". If a player who has his foot touching or on the paint moves it, and from my position I cannot be certain he is on the paint...I MAY verify when I administer the second shot (if we are shooting 2). If I am trail...I may take a step in to get a better look. If it is the first of a one-and-one or the only shot and I know he is on the paint...I would call the violation. As an example...I have called a violation on a shooter who, when he went onto his toes during the shot, covered half the line in front of him. Again, it is not hard to look down.

Guess I am basically saying I need to be absolutely certain they are violating. If there is any doubt, I hold my whistle...if no doubt, I blow my whistle. There have been times when I wasn't sure and when I moved a little I could see the player was not on the paint.