Today I was doing a few games.

In one game, we had an injured player, as their was no immediate threat to the player or the other players because he was down under the basket on the far side of the court, and the ball was being advanced away from him, we let play continue.

A foul was called as the ball was at half-court, and then the coach was beckoned. The coach was not happy with our decision to allow play to continue and was assessed a technical by my partner.

Now the coach of the other team was also not happy, and was irate about it. I tried calming him down by explaining to him the procedure followed in a situation like that but he didn't seem to buy it. In his fury he went to the table and swatted the possession arrow to the ground. Whack!!! Flagerant technical foul. Coach is ejected, leaves without incident, and games continues with free throws, and an inbounds at half court.

Both coaches were fuming at the same play? I can't say I've ever seen that before.

The one I tossed was the convenor for the league.

He was fuming in that capacity. But I guess he needs to learn when he's coaching he's coaching and when he's convening he's convening.

I'm trying to picture this, so help me out. He's a coach and a convener. When he's acting like a coach, he's an idiot. When he's acting like a convener, he's an idiot. How do you tell which role he's acting in? ;)

Well, at least that explains why he left without further incident. So he was upset that you didn't stop play for a minor injury without any danger of further injury? Sounds like a real piece of work.

YES!!!!!

I love it! Way to take of business!

J, I need details! E-mail me. Funny sitch though.

I had a similar sitch. Player goes down, no threat. I'm L, new T after B's fast break. Two parents near the player are yelling, coming up off the bleachers, yelling at thetop of their lungs, pointing and me.

As soon as time warrants, I blow the play dead, beckon the caoches, and then point to the two wing-nuts and then point to the door. The look on their faces was priceless.

The convenor has to go over there and the one guy wouldn't leave. He caused only a 30-second delay.

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I had a similar sitch in an 8th grade game. Girl goes down in backcourt, but I'm L and I don't see it. I'm just ahead of midcourt (there's a press on) and see both coach and assistant coach come off the bench THREE FEET ONTO THE FLOOR yelling at my partner. I was ready to blow and walk over and say, "That's a T for YOU and a T for YOU!" But my partner blew it dead (wrongly, the other team was driving by this point). I let him handle the situation. Girl left in an ambulance with a concussion half an hour later. Assistant keeps glaring at my partner and giving him crap for the no call. At this point, I don't think any T's would have helped anything at all. I shut the assistant up with some friendly advice, and we ended up with a 2 hour overtime game.

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You got lucky.

Technical foul. I don't think you should ignore two coaches coming onto the floor yelling at you and/or yor P.

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I might add that an assistant 8th grade (or any level of assistnat) coach doesn't need to complain. He or she needed one as well.

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While we talk about letting the play continue after a player goes down you can & should stop play immediately when the injury seems severe or there's danger of further injury. An 8th grade girl on the floor who later gets taken away by ambulance for a concussion seems to be a good enough reason to stop play immediately. Especially since play was going in in her general area (you mentioned her team was being pressed in the BC). You guys did good by not T'ing either of these coaches up.

btw...how did it take a half hr for an ambulance to arrive?

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The extent of the injury is not known at the time of deciding to blow it dead or not. You can't say that you should have blown it dead immediately because she ended up with a concussion. (She may have had a sore thumb.) You can say that it should have been blown dead because there was a press on. However, I do believe that giving A a chance to beat the press is prudent. One pass and it's beat. If they show a sign of hesitation, then blow it dead.

While safety is the utmost of importance, the official judged that play should continue.

As for the ambulance, the OP did not say it took 30 min for the ambulance to arrive; it said the ambulance left after 30 min had elapsed.

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While the extent of the injury might not be known, in order to end up with a concussion something pretty serious must have happened...if an 8th grade girl goes down and her head slams into the floor and she lays there - stop the game for crying out loud. Err on the side of caution at that level...

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Yep, my point exactly.

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Ok, that's like 5 or 6 threads in a row where we have agreed...getting kinda scary. Pretty soon you're going to find yourself staying up late to catch the Mariners game from Seattle on satellite!

I don't know what they were yelling but if they were yelling at your partner about a no call then I would have whacked both of them, that's just me. Just because my partner stops the play for injury doesn't mean they get a free pass. Being on the floor and yelling at an official is automatic IMO.

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Except that it was admitted that the official didn't see the player go down. Why limit to 8th grade girls? If anybody goes down and their head slams on the floor and they just lay there - stop the game.

Please tell me though, what happened that is "pretty serious"? Oh that's right - nobody with authority to legally stop the game knows, so they let the play go. If as you say, something serious did happen, and the officials did in fact see it, I trust my brethren to make the correct decision to stop the game.

Now, it is a different story with different variables, such a loud and repetitive screams, whimpering (sp?), body shakes, a loud noise (thump), etc.

Snake is right - no free pass.

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What are you talking about?

The OP said that HE didn't see what happened since the girl went down in the BC & he was L. But his partner DID blow it dead - you know, the brethren you're so trustful of? And the OP DID show restraint by not T'ing the coaches up after his partner blew it dead.

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That's funny...seems that the OP's partner DID stop the game, so I guess he must have KNOWN something...in your haste to try to prove someone wrong, did you even bother to read the situation?

I wrongly assumed that the other official stopped the play to deal with the injured player because of the adamance of the coaches that came onto the court, rather than because of a late whistle.

I beg your forgiveness.

Nope...no forgiveness. You shall now be hoisted by your petard (whatever the heck that is)...and while hoisted you will have to watch replays of all the Seattle Mariners vs. KC Royals games from the previous 5 seasons...that oughta teach ya something!!

I don't follow volleyball that much... are those teams bad?

You shall now be hoisted by your petard (whatever the heck that is)...and while hoisted[/B][/QUOTE]A "petard" was similar to a medieval grenade. It was a rudimentary explosive charge, usually in an iron container. To be "hoist on your own petard" meant that you blew yourself up while trying to ignite the charge to blow someone else up.

A more modern example would be Big Jim McBob and Billy Sol Hurok. They were "hoisted on their own petards" many, many times- i.e. <i>"We blowed 'em up reeeeeeal good"</i>.

End of today's lesson.

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She never lost consciousness, so there was a bit of hemming and hawing before game management finally acted on it. Probably 10-15 minutes went by before the ambulance was called.

The reason my partner waited to stop play was that she was conscious (crying) and there was no blood. You can never tell with a crying 8th grade girl how serious it is. In a packed gym, I don't think callings T's on coaches for being on the floor or whining a little afterward, given the emotion of the situation, was called for.

I couldn't tell (loud, packed gym) if they were yelling for the no-call or yelling for the game to stop. I think they wanted the stoppage, so I let it go.

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Rocky -- You don't know the half of it! Dan's on the verge of crossing over to what Pat calls "the other side"... Now THAT'S scary!!

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What??? Dan's finally seen the light...it's about time!