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rockyroad Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:41am

So some HS girl scored 113 points last night...her team won 137-32. Coach left her in when she had 58 at halftime so she could break the record...she took 60 shots and hit 54 of them. Coach's quote; "At the half, we thought she had a chance to break the recordso we just let her go." In a 105 point blow-out...anyone else hear anything about this?

tjones1 Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:51am

I heard about it as well. In my opinion, real bad display of sportsmanship.

mick Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:54am

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps...g-record_x.htm

Note: Lisa Leslie --> 101 in 1st half. 1990

rockyroad Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:25am

Lisa Leslie refused to go back into the game in the second half...her coach wanted her to go in and break the record and she said no...

mick Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:32am

Quote:

Originally posted by rockyroad
Lisa Leslie refused to go back into the game in the second half...her coach wanted her to go in and break the record and she said no...
Oh !?!!

USA Today said "Two-time WNBA MVP Lisa Leslie scored 101 points in a half for Morningside High School in Inglewood, Calif., against South Torrance in 1990. South Torrance refused to play the second half."

The legend lives.
mick

Nate1224hoops Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:34am

Quote:

Originally posted by rockyroad
Lisa Leslie refused to go back into the game in the second half...her coach wanted her to go in and break the record and she said no...
Thats not what the article said. It said that the opposing team refused to come back out to play the second half. She scored 101 in the first half, why would she refuse to score 17 more to break the record. IMO bad sportsmanship line has already been crossed. No coach should let things like this happen. Had the player scored 113pts and her team won a close game that one thing, but beating a team by 100points is classless.

bgtg19 Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:50am

We all recognize that to score 113 points in 32 minutes is only possible (or 101 points in 16 minutes - full court press the whole half for a lay-up drill?!) with really bad opponents. There is essentially no way to look at this as an "achievement."

Poor sportsmanship to be sure.

rainmaker Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:59am

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Originally posted by bgtg19
There is essentially no way to look at this as an "achievement."
Absolutely true. Even the "Generals" don't have to put up with this kind of mistreatment!

rockyroad Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:09pm

Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by rockyroad
Lisa Leslie refused to go back into the game in the second half...her coach wanted her to go in and break the record and she said no...
Oh !?!!

USA Today said "Two-time WNBA MVP Lisa Leslie scored 101 points in a half for Morningside High School in Inglewood, Calif., against South Torrance in 1990. South Torrance refused to play the second half."

The legend lives.
mick

Interesting...I read the article about it in my local paper, and it made a point of saying that it was Leslie who refused to play in the second half. Hmmmm...just read the USA Today on on-line and it has what Mick and Nate 1224 say. Interesting...I still think it's pretty stinky to run up 137 points on a team like that - even to break a record. I wonder what that girl will think 30 or 40 years from now when she looks back on it...

JCrow Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:27pm

113 points might be a super achievement if your Team won by 2. But when your Team wins by 105 points, it's awful. I don't blame the HS kid...I blame the Coach. What kind of person doesn't have his 12th bench warmer in when they are up by 105?

Awful......

(Maybe I'm jealous cause I only scored a whisker over a 100 points in my HS career.)

ShadowStripes Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:50pm

I hope the officials had some handchecks against the team pressing. Disgraceful show of sportsmanship...

Can you imagine the public outcry if this girl, going to Rutgers, would have blown out a knee when they were up 80-85 points?

tomegun Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:54pm

Maybe it is poor sportsmanship for one player to score that many points, but what if there is some kind of tie-breaker that goes by winning margin against common opponents? What if one of these rules caused this coach to miss the playoffs in years past? Maybe there is more to it or maybe it is just plain bad sportsmanship.

Junker Thu Feb 02, 2006 03:45pm

Poor sportsmanship for sure, but this is how a lot of records are broken. At least she wasn't hitting a bunch of home runs in smaller ballparks, with more games, and on the juice.

mick Thu Feb 02, 2006 04:34pm

There's a lot of judgement about sportsmanship going on here.
Like Junker wrote, "Poor sportsmanship for sure, but this is how a lot of records are broken." So what?!!! Give it a rest. When records are set, very often they were recorded against a poor team.


Prince, a 5-foot-9 senior guard, led her team to a <B><font color = red>137-32</font></B> victory over Brandeis High School. <B>105 points</B>



<LI>1982, Miller made 46 of 50 field goals on the way to 105 points. Her Riverside Poly (Calif.) squad defeated Riverside Norte Vista, <B><font color = red>179-15</font></B>.<B><font size = +2>164 points</B></font>

<LI>Lisa Leslie of Morningside HS in Inglewood California scores 101 in 1st half, South Torrance HS decides not to play 2nd half and loses <B><font color = red>102-24</font></B>. <B><font size = +2>78 points in one half.</B></font>

mick



cloverdale Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:12pm

you can be counted on
 
when i heard this the first thing i wanted to know was how many did the other team score...then i found out 32 pts...i couldn't believe how angry i got...this is simply shameful, coach and school should be taken to task for such brazen display of unsporting behavior...just want to spit nails...thanks, enough of this soap box

Nevadaref Fri Feb 03, 2006 05:02am

Quote:

Originally posted by mick
There's a lot of judgement about sportsmanship going on here.
Like Junker wrote, "Poor sportsmanship for sure, but this is how a lot of records are broken." So what?!!! Give it a rest. When records are set, very often they were recorded against a poor team.


Prince, a 5-foot-9 senior guard, led her team to a <B><font color = red>137-32</font></B> victory over Brandeis High School. <B>105 points</B>



<LI>1982, Miller made 46 of 50 field goals on the way to 105 points. Her Riverside Poly (Calif.) squad defeated Riverside Norte Vista, <B><font color = red>179-15</font></B>.<B><font size = +2>164 points</B></font>

<LI>Lisa Leslie of Morningside HS in Inglewood California scores 101 in 1st half, South Torrance HS decides not to play 2nd half and loses <B><font color = red>102-24</font></B>. <B><font size = +2>78 points in one half.</B></font>

mick



That was my thought too mick. Thanks for doing the research.

I did come up with a way to discourage doing this to a clearly overmatched opponent.
The idea is loosely based upon the concept used in track and field of windaided times or jumps. They win the meet, but don't qualify for the record books.

Put in some kind of provision that the NFHS only recognizes records set in competitive games. I don't know exactly how to word it, but these ridiculous blowouts don't qualify.


Dan_ref Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:54am

Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
There's a lot of judgement about sportsmanship going on here.
Like Junker wrote, "Poor sportsmanship for sure, but this is how a lot of records are broken." So what?!!! Give it a rest. When records are set, very often they were recorded against a poor team.


Prince, a 5-foot-9 senior guard, led her team to a <B><font color = red>137-32</font></B> victory over Brandeis High School. <B>105 points</B>



<LI>1982, Miller made 46 of 50 field goals on the way to 105 points. Her Riverside Poly (Calif.) squad defeated Riverside Norte Vista, <B><font color = red>179-15</font></B>.<B><font size = +2>164 points</B></font>

<LI>Lisa Leslie of Morningside HS in Inglewood California scores 101 in 1st half, South Torrance HS decides not to play 2nd half and loses <B><font color = red>102-24</font></B>. <B><font size = +2>78 points in one half.</B></font>

mick



That was my thought too mick. Thanks for doing the research.

I did come up with a way to discourage doing this to a clearly overmatched opponent.
The idea is loosely based upon the concept used in track and field of windaided times or jumps. They win the meet, but don't qualify for the record books.

Put in some kind of provision that the NFHS only recognizes records set in competitive games. I don't know exactly how to word it, but these ridiculous blowouts don't qualify.


Interesting concept.

How many home runs you gonna take away from Barry Bonds because he was facing a "less than competetive" pitcher?

ChuckElias Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:08am

All the examples Mick gave occurred in girls' games. Anybody know if this sort of thing happens in boys' games? My guess is that if somebody tried to do it in a boys' game, the would-be record-setter would be laid out flat before he could get there.

SeanFitzRef Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:24am

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
All the examples Mick gave occurred in girls' games. Anybody know if this sort of thing happens in boys' games? My guess is that if somebody tried to do it in a boys' game, the would-be record-setter would be laid out flat before he could get there.

Sarcasm on
Yeah, like what happened to Kobe when he put 81 on the Raptors. Or Wilt when he dropped his 100. Those guys really got laid out!

Sarcasm off

TriggerMN Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:28am

Well, there was a night a few years ago where DaJuan Wagner and some other boy both went over 100 points on the same night, in 100+ point wins for their teams. The other kid scored 18 points in the last 3 minutes while the team was up about 100 points and in a full court press.

Last year in Minnesota, a boy named Cash Eggleston scored something like 91 points in a lopsided win between two "charter" schools. He made something like 17 3-pointers in the game by continually being fed the ball. I don't know exactly what was said, but I do remember that the MSHSL discussed the matter both with the school's AD and coach, and basically scorned them for their poor sportsmanship.

Man In Blue Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:32am

Had a team announce to the media that they were playing a weak team and were going to try to set a state scoring record. They scored 132 points (state record 139).

Just wrong!

crazy voyager Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:34am

I acctually have an even <b>worse</b> (I think) display of bad sportmanship.

Team is up big (think it's 50 or 60 points) and the losers onyl have 4 players left to play with, the rest have fouled out. The winners are full court pressing on the poor 4 guys left! Full court, all game out. The losers coach is asking him politly "you've won, there's no need to humiliate us" no answer, he asks the ref "can you please ask him to stop this, it's humiliation, they've won" ref simply says: "not my problem" and goes on calling the game.

For me that's even worse sportmanship

mick Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:35am

Boy's basketball
 
According to the National High School Sports Record Book, 15 boys have scored 100 points in US high school basketball games. (Other sources list up to 18.) The most notable player ever to do so is former NBA player Dajuan Wagner, who scored exactly 100 for Camden High (NJ) in a 157-67 victory over Gloucester Township Technical School on January 16th, 2001.

The all-time record is held by Danny Heater, who scored 135 for Burnsville High (WV) in a <u><B>173-43</U></B> win against Widen High on January 26th, 1960.
http://members.aol.com/jeff570/heater.html


ChuckElias Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:39am

Quote:

Originally posted by SeanFitzRef
Yeah, like what happened to Kobe when he put 81 on the Raptors. Or Wilt when he dropped his 100. Those guys really got laid out!
My guess (and I said it was a guess) was that teenage HS boys would not have the self-control and professionalism that most adult pros have on the court.

Perhaps I was wrong. Thanks for the boys' examples.

SeanFitzRef Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:42am

Hey, reverse field for a minute. When these games are scheduled, both programs are aware that one is going to totally obliterate the other. Most times the 12th or 13th player on the winning team would be the first or second best player on the losing team. I agree that the top prospects shouldn't be in the game after the first quarter, but how many opportunities are going to come along for these events to happen? When these games come about (46 for 50 form the field?!), you have to take advantage of them. Some people don't shoot that well in the gym by themselves.

In a competitive matchup, there will be someone evenly matched or close enough in physical talent to guard/defend this person. You will rarely see this happen in a close game. The Kobe game was rare, because he scored 81, but the game was close until late. On the HS level, there are going to be times when you get matched up with a team that is lucky to make it off the bus without losing points or players. Put the onus on the state associations to make the conferences evenly matched. the Chicago Public schools system is nice, because you are moved to a different division from year to year based on your record and competitiveness the previous season.


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