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rainmaker Sat Jan 21, 2006 03:12am

PPOE this year: Keeping track of the statistics, handling coaches.

So far: Only one game where I completely lost count of fouls and had to be told to give a 1-and-1. No players fouled out, that I didn't already know about. No surprise last second shots.

Several games where coaches were quiet and polite throughout. Several games where coaches needed to vent a little, but stayed well within the limits. One T on an a*** coach, One T on a head coach (both from same team, but two different games).

Until tonight.

Ugh.

Two games, three hours, one coach tossed, one T'd. I know it's not my fault. It really wasn't my fault. Partner was quick to point out all the crap we'd been dealing with all night. But I still feel like a failure. Oh, well. I guess that's life. I'm done for the season now, right?

And the statistics-awareness tonight was terrific!

Back In The Saddle Sat Jan 21, 2006 03:20am

Think of tonight as a statistical anomoly :)

rainmaker Sat Jan 21, 2006 03:25am

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
Think of tonight as a statistical anomoly :)
Thanks, Ray. How comforting.

TimTaylor Sat Jan 21, 2006 08:40am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
PPOE this year: Keeping track of the statistics, handling coaches.

So far: Only one game where I completely lost count of fouls and had to be told to give a 1-and-1. No players fouled out, that I didn't already know about. No surprise last second shots.

Several games where coaches were quiet and polite throughout. Several games where coaches needed to vent a little, but stayed well within the limits. One T on an a*** coach, One T on a head coach (both from same team, but two different games).

Until tonight.

Ugh.

Two games, three hours, one coach tossed, one T'd. I know it's not my fault. It really wasn't my fault. Partner was quick to point out all the crap we'd been dealing with all night. But I still feel like a failure. Oh, well. I guess that's life. I'm done for the season now, right?

And the statistics-awareness tonight was terrific!

Like they say Juulie, poop happens!

Details please - which schools/levels?

bob jenkins Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:01am

"handling coaches" includes giving Ts when needed.


Snake~eyes Sat Jan 21, 2006 01:10pm

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
"handling coaches" includes giving Ts when needed.


I was thinking the same thing. Just because you Teed someone or ejected someone doesn't mean you didn't do a good job at handling the coaches.

hooper Sat Jan 21, 2006 01:42pm

As you already know, most coaches who are asses make it a habit. Many are given much more leeway than they deserve, so you've actually done a favor for the coach (taught him/her her how to participate in the game... or not) and also done a favor for the next referee who gets this coach(who might not get quite as much garbage from the coach with the thoughts of being T'd or tossed in the last game).

Good for you for keeping things under control!

rainmaker Sat Jan 21, 2006 01:46pm

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Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
"handling coaches" includes giving Ts when needed.


I was thinking the same thing. Just because you Teed someone or ejected someone doesn't mean you didn't do a good job at handling the coaches.

I know this intellectually. But it still doesn't feel good emotionally.

I also know that in the second game, where the coach got one and then shut up, her girls did the classic settle-down thing, and the T made the game better. That one I feel great about. It's just the ejection that bugs me. I'll get over it.

blindzebra Sat Jan 21, 2006 02:52pm

I've never left a game regretting giving a coach a T, I have regretted NOT giving one.

refnrev Sat Jan 21, 2006 04:20pm

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Originally posted by blindzebra
I've never left a game regretting giving a coach a T, I have regretted NOT giving one.
__________________________________________________ ______

DITTO.

Come on, Juulie, you know you're a good referee. Most of the time when I've left the floor feeling like you are, it had much more to do with being tired, stressed, or what was going on in my life away from the court and not the game itself. And let's face it - some nights we feel like Superman during a game and some nights we feel like Goober Pyle. Most of the time we are in the dead center of the two. I'll bet you handled the game well -- better than you are giving yourself credit for.

Ref Daddy Sat Jan 21, 2006 04:29pm


Like you RainMaker its been a great season up until the last few days

My week
1) Chapter with three "observers" called to my rivalry that went into disarray their last game ..... check
2) Going solo in a Boys JV ... check
3) My Co Official "squares up" to a coach after a game ...check
4) State association paperwork .... check
5) Fan ejection ... check
6) 2 games today - 2 OT's ... check

I'm going to Disney World!




Back In The Saddle Sat Jan 21, 2006 05:15pm

Juulie, I had a hard game last year (I think I even posted about it) that I came away from just feeling lousy about. In retrospect what I learned from that game is that sometimes that lousy feeling comes because somebody else makes the situation impossible to handle any other way. In my game it was calling a lot of fouls, including a T, late in a blowout against the losing team. In your case it was tossing a coach. In both cases we did a good job, we did the right thing, and it feels icky because somebody else screwed up.

So let go of the lousy feeling and move on. But you can harbor some resentment for the coach 'cause she loused up the streak you had going. :)

Mark Padgett Sat Jan 21, 2006 05:33pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
I'm done for the season now, right?
Not if you're gonna be working any games with me.

Dan_ref Sat Jan 21, 2006 05:42pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Snake~eyes
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Originally posted by bob jenkins
"handling coaches" includes giving Ts when needed.


I was thinking the same thing. Just because you Teed someone or ejected someone doesn't mean you didn't do a good job at handling the coaches.

I know this intellectually. But it still doesn't feel good emotionally.

Name that tune:

Nobody feels any pain
Tonight as I stand inside the rain
Ev'rybody knows
That Baby's got new clothes
But lately I see her ribbons and her bows
Have fallen from her curls.

RookieDude Sat Jan 21, 2006 05:46pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
"handling coaches" includes giving Ts when needed.


I was thinking the same thing. Just because you Teed someone or ejected someone doesn't mean you didn't do a good job at handling the coaches.

I know this intellectually. But it still doesn't feel good emotionally.

Name that tune:

Nobody feels any pain
Tonight as I stand inside the rain
Ev'rybody knows
That Baby's got new clothes
But lately I see her ribbons and her bows
Have fallen from her curls.

Sting?

Jurassic Referee Sat Jan 21, 2006 06:02pm

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Originally posted by RookieDude
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
"handling coaches" includes giving Ts when needed.


I was thinking the same thing. Just because you Teed someone or ejected someone doesn't mean you didn't do a good job at handling the coaches.

I know this intellectually. But it still doesn't feel good emotionally.

Name that tune:

Nobody feels any pain
Tonight as I stand inside the rain
Ev'rybody knows
That Baby's got new clothes
But lately I see her ribbons and her bows
Have fallen from her curls.

Sting?

Bob Dylan is Sting?

I didn't know that.

Jurassic Referee Sat Jan 21, 2006 06:05pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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I know this intellectually. But it still doesn't feel good emotionally.
[/B][/QUOTE]

Name that tune:

Nobody feels any pain
Tonight as I stand inside the rain
Ev'rybody knows
That Baby's got new clothes
But lately I see her ribbons and her bows
Have fallen from her curls.
[/B][/QUOTE]
http://bobdylan.com/songs/justlike.html

RookieDude Sat Jan 21, 2006 06:33pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
I know this intellectually. But it still doesn't feel good emotionally.
[/B]
Name that tune:

Nobody feels any pain
Tonight as I stand inside the rain
Ev'rybody knows
That Baby's got new clothes
But lately I see her ribbons and her bows
Have fallen from her curls.
[/B][/QUOTE]
http://bobdylan.com/songs/justlike.html [/B][/QUOTE]

LOL...yeah...I just took a wild guess, as if rainmaker might have had lingering "sting"ing sensations from her T's.

But, now I get what Dan was saying after I went to the site you displayed JR...thanks...LOL.

(I'll admit it...I'm as shallow as Damon) ;)

rainmaker Sat Jan 21, 2006 08:54pm

Well, I knew it wasnt Rossini, or Mozart. Nor was it Charles Wesley nor Fanny Crosby. So I didn't even try.

Another thing I realized this afternoon is that it's getting on toward "that time" of the season when coaches are getting grouchy. I remember this from last year. I think next year I'll write a note into my date book so that I can see it coming, and won't be taken by surprise.

TimTaylor Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:17pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Another thing I realized this afternoon is that it's getting on toward "that time" of the season when coaches are getting grouchy. I remember this from last year. I think next year I'll write a note into my date book so that I can see it coming, and won't be taken by surprise.
Hmmmm - maybe we could get someone to slip a little prozac in their water bottles...

Where were the games Juulie? Sounds like you had a lot more fun than we did at DDHS last night. Of course then there was the Canby tournament today - we had two player ejections and three intentional fouls, and that was in only the 1st game. Fortunately the 2nd went much better.........

rainmaker Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:40am

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Originally posted by TimTaylor
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Originally posted by rainmaker
Another thing I realized this afternoon is that it's getting on toward "that time" of the season when coaches are getting grouchy. I remember this from last year. I think next year I'll write a note into my date book so that I can see it coming, and won't be taken by surprise.
Hmmmm - maybe we could get someone to slip a little prozac in their water bottles...

Where were the games Juulie? Sounds like you had a lot more fun than we did at DDHS last night. Of course then there was the Canby tournament today - we had two player ejections and three intentional fouls, and that was in only the 1st game. Fortunately the 2nd went much better.........

Wow, I'm glad I stayed home and watched the Seahawks win.

My games were St. Mary's/Barlow, all three T's on St. Mary's. Two on the freshman coach, one on JV. I'm over it by now. Life is too short to let some loud mouth ruin my weekend. Besides I had a blast working 6th and 7th grade girls yesterday in the T..(Tigard)..BA. Their board has really cracked down on yelling at the refs, and the games are a blast. The girls are just so cute!

ranjo Mon Jan 23, 2006 08:00am

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[i]Originally posted by rainmaker

Another thing I realized this afternoon is that it's getting on toward "that time" of the season when coaches are getting grouchy. I remember this from last year. I think next year I'll write a note into my date book so that I can see it coming, and won't be taken by surprise. [/B]
I also notice the same thing every year. Both coaches and players take on a different attitude than they start with at the beginning of the season. Its not only the teams fighting for the play-off positions, its also the 1-11 teams trying to get just one more win. Unfortunately this occures when lots of officials are getting a little worn down too. Our commissioner usually instructs us to excercise as much compassion as possible during this time of year. (also good advice for husbands and boy friends)

Ref Daddy Mon Jan 23, 2006 09:21am


And at this time of the year those (fans, players and coaches) that are not particularily detailed with the exact rules of the game seem to be refreshed in their inaccurate knowledge and express it even louder.

I wonder how long it takes them in baseball season to get their strike zone tuned in? Beware Umpire - their yours in about another month!


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