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IAABO_Ref Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:42am

I think in this situation you should report your side of the story to your AD. Also if you have a video tape of the game let them watch it and let the address the issue. You are not going to help solve the problem by making phone calls yourself for the same reasons you didn’t want that official working that game, you’re attached to a school and are personally involved in the situation.

bob jenkins Tue Jan 03, 2006 08:10am

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Originally posted by Nate1224hoops
No there were no markings for either coach. And no, She was everywhere and received no warning. But again, the offical was probably a close friend being that he taught at the school. Yes our state does have a coaching box, therefore I as a coach am entitled to a box. If none is marked then I assume we use imaginary boxes...lol
You should contact your state HS association and ask them what the procedure is. (Maybe it was covered at the rules meeting, if you have one, and whatever coach from your school attended will know the answer.)

Here (IL), if the box is not marked, it's not used. If it's not already on the floor, game management can put one down using tape. If game management doesn't want to do it (reference the "home team doesn't want on, but the visitors do" discussion above), the visitors can apply a box to their side.

Nate1224hoops Tue Jan 03, 2006 08:59am

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Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
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Originally posted by Nate1224hoops
Yes our state does have a coaching box, therefore I as a coach am entitled to a box. If none is marked then I assume we use imaginary boxes...lol
AND YOUR ASSUMPTION WOULD BE WRONG.

Mark your own box! That is laughable. And you think the referee was nuts; he should have T'ed you immediately and made sure you sat for the remainder. He wasn't nuts; he was being overly generous.

And you, as a visiting coach, confronted him and put tape on his floor?!

Best of luck to you in your JV taping career. Perhaps there is a reason you are a past official?

That was a joke...I guess your glasses got fogged up reading the LOL. If you had read the entire thread you would have seen that I ask the official if he would like to assist in marking the floor and he said for me to do it. The official of that game sounds a lot like you; you seem to think the game is about you and not the kids. He should have T'd me...lol...for what asking for a box. Maybe you are him. Hopefully with your attitude you'll never reach JV games. I choose to make the switch to coaching. If you officiate like you run your mouth on here you wont be able to say you switched....YOUR FIRED!!!

BktBallRef Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:26am

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Originally posted by Nate1224hoops
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Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
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Originally posted by Nate1224hoops
Yes our state does have a coaching box, therefore I as a coach am entitled to a box. If none is marked then I assume we use imaginary boxes...lol
AND YOUR ASSUMPTION WOULD BE WRONG.

Mark your own box! That is laughable. And you think the referee was nuts; he should have T'ed you immediately and made sure you sat for the remainder. He wasn't nuts; he was being overly generous.

And you, as a visiting coach, confronted him and put tape on his floor?!

Best of luck to you in your JV taping career. Perhaps there is a reason you are a past official?

That was a joke...I guess your glasses got fogged up reading the LOL. If you had read the entire thread you would have seen that I ask the official if he would like to assist in marking the floor and he said for me to do it. The official of that game sounds a lot like you; you seem to think the game is about you and not the kids. He should have T'd me...lol...for what asking for a box. Maybe you are him. Hopefully with your attitude you'll never reach JV games. I choose to make the switch to coaching. If you officiate like you run your mouth on here you wont be able to say you switched....YOUR FIRED!!!

Wow. :(

Stat-Man Tue Jan 03, 2006 03:36pm

A few years back we had an away game and one of the officials for the JV girls contest was a teacher from our school.

I'm in the stands opposite the benches with the varsity coaches and early in the first quaterter, the teacher-ref gives our JV coach a T and then a second one right after signaling the first one. So the varsity staff had to go down and coach two games that night.

I think something was said to our assignor, as the teacher-ref was still given games in our conference, but never against us.




bgtg19 Tue Jan 03, 2006 03:59pm

Ideally, there probably would never be an occasion for an official to work any level game involving the school system that employs her/him. But, since we do not live in an ideal world, we must accept that there are less than ideal situations. Setting aside the problems that face schools and assignors, what should *our* approach as officials be?

I'd like to suggest the following:

1. Never, under any circumstances (any? well, I can't think of any), accept an assignment to work a varsity game involving your employing school district.

2. Never accept an assignment to work a sub-varsity game involving your employing school district unless the coaches and/or ADs of both schools agree. For example, the day of the game your school's AD gets a cancellation call from an official and the AD is scrambling to find a substitute for the Freshman/JV double header. You might tell the AD to keep looking, but if s/he truly cannot find someone else, you'll pinch hit as long as the head coaches for each game agree. Disclose the conflict to the coaches and ask if they want you to work the game. They'll agree ... the other choice is to have a single official work the games. Having first agreed to it, they cannot later complain about it. (Well, they can complain, but the complaint ought not to go very far.) The fact that you are disclosing the issue and dealing with it in a transparent way will (or should) remove any question about there being a "homer" motive.

For what it is worth, it sounds to me like the problem described in the original post is a problem that would repeat itself in games not involving that particular official's school....

Gulf Coast Blue Tue Jan 03, 2006 04:28pm

TASO (Texas) has very rigid guidelines regarding this. You may not officiate any game at the school you teach at, but also not officiate any game for your entire School District if you or your spouse works in that District. That prohibition exists for 5 years after you or your spouse leaves the district.

You may also not officiate any games at a school if you have a child enrolled there. This crosses over to all sports, not just the sport your child may be involved in.

Joel


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