shot clock questions

[secondyear]

Using NCAA rules for AAU(girls, when does the shot clock start after a made basket? Is it as soon as the ball is available to the team? Or is it after the throw-in?

Also, during a held ball if the team in control maintains possession, does the shot clock re-set?

Thanks!

Laurie

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by secondyear

Using NCAA rules for AAU(girls, when does the shot clock start after a made basket? Is it as soon as the ball is available to the team? Or is it after the throw-in?



The shot clock is started as soon as the ball is legally
touched by any player on the court during the throw-in
(which is the same time as the game clock if that clock
is stopped).



Also, during a held ball if the team in control maintains possession, does the shot clock re-set?



No.



Thanks!

Laurie

[Danvrapp]

I'd say another good reason that the shot clock couldn't start until the ball was in play is because there is no team possesion during a throw in, therefore you can't start a clock against the offense when there is no offense!

[112448]

Originally posted by secondyear

Using NCAA rules for AAU(girls, when does the shot clock start after a made basket? Is it as soon as the ball is available to the team? Or is it after the throw-in?

The rules citation for Dan's answers are:

NCAA 2-13.5


Also, during a held ball if the team in control maintains possession, does the shot clock re-set?

NCAA 2-13.6.c, 2-13.7.d, 2-13.7.g

Thanks!

Laurie

[Hawks Coach]

Also, remember that when the AAU girls go to a shot clock, it is NCAA rules, so no 10 second count anymore. If you aren't certain whether they have done this for a given tournament, make sure before game starts. And it is usually 6 on the lane (including shooter) for free throws with foot permitted on block and 5 rebounders can enter on rlease (shooter and all others wait for rim). This last weekend, we had some officials who had part but not all of the picture, which can lead to some ugly and unnecessary confrontations.

[secondyear]

Thanks for the info. It wouldn't make sense to start the shot clock after the made basket and before the ball has been thrown-in.

I found that the girls 10U had the most difficulty understanding that those who were not lined up for the free throw had the same restrictions as the shooter. The players only understood that they could enter on the release.

[Hawks Coach]

Bet they catch on after a couple of violations!

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Danvrapp
I'd say another good reason that the shot clock couldn't start until the ball was in play is because there is no team possession during a throw in, therefore you can't start a clock against the offense when there is no offense!

Actually, the shot clock could start without the offense having team control. If A1 passes the ball inobunds, A2 deflects the ball but doesn't control it, the shot clock would still start. However, if there was a ten second count being used, it would not start. Of course, there is no BC count is Girls AAU.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Hawks Coach
Also, remember that when the AAU girls go to a shot clock, it is NCAA rules, so no 10 second count anymore. If you aren't certain whether they have done this for a given tournament, make sure before game starts. And it is usually 6 on the lane (including shooter) for free throws with foot permitted on block and 5 rebounders can enter on rlease (shooter and all others wait for rim). This last weekend, we had some officials who had part but not all of the picture, which can lead to some ugly and unnecessary confrontations.

This is changing next year -- 6 on the lane (4 defense, 2 offense), plus shooter, and the first spot will be above the block (the current first spot won't be used).

NCAA women only.

I'm a little surprised they aren't using it for this summer's ball.

[Danvrapp]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Actually, the shot clock could start without the offense having team control. If A1 passes the ball inobunds, A2 deflects the ball but doesn't control it, the shot clock would still start. However, if there was a ten second count being used, it would not start. Of course, there is no BC count is Girls AAU.

Right, but I was under the assumption that the ball never made it inbounds. I thought we were trying to determine if the clock started when the player designated to inbound the ball gathered control.....but a good point, none the less!

[eg-italy]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Actually, the shot clock could start without the offense having team control. If A1 passes the ball inobunds, A2 deflects the ball but doesn't control it, the shot clock would still start. However, if there was a ten second count being used, it would not start. Of course, there is no BC count is Girls AAU.

That's curious: no team control and start of the shot clock. I'm with FIBA rules, and they are completely different in this respect. We have team control during throw-in, but the shot clock starts when one player gains control in-bound. The same applies during a throw-in after a basket: no shot clock until possession in-bound.

Unfortunately we have to go with these.

Ciao

Enrico

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by eg-italy

That's curious: no team control and start of the shot clock. I'm with FIBA rules, and they are completely different in this respect. We have team control during throw-in, but the shot clock starts when one player gains control in-bound. The same applies during a throw-in after a basket: no shot clock until possession in-bound.

The NCAA only changed to this ruling a few years ago. The purpose is to prevent a team from unfairly running out the game clock. A situation that could have existed: 35 second shot clock, 38 left on the game clock. Tie game. A1 could throws the ball either off of A2 or such that A2 could tip the ball. A2 would not control the ball immediately. Meanwhile the game clock would run but not the shot clock. A2 (or A3) would pick up the ball with 34 on the game clock. A would then be able to hold for the last shot. The committee felt that this subverted the purpose of the shot clock and declared that they start simultaneously.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

The NCAA only changed to this ruling a few years ago. The purpose is to prevent a team from unfairly running out the game clock. A situation that could have existed: 35 second shot clock, 38 left on the game clock. Tie game. A1 could throws the ball either off of A2 or such that A2 could tip the ball. A2 would not control the ball immediately. Meanwhile the game clock would run but not the shot clock. A2 (or A3) would pick up the ball with 34 on the game clock. A would then be able to hold for the last shot. The committee felt that this subverted the purpose of the shot clock and declared that they start simultaneously.

That's interesting. I had heard that the change was made
because there was too much confusion/imprecision in when
the shot clock got started so they "synchronized" the shot
clock with the game clock. This change took the definition
of "control" out of the clock operators hands.

[rockyroad]

To Bob Jenkins...where did you get the info on the lane changes for next year in NCAA women? I checked the NCAA site and didn't see anything. Thanks,

dj

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by rockyroad
To Bob Jenkins...where did you get the info on the lane changes for next year in NCAA women? I checked the NCAA site and didn't see anything. Thanks,

dj

On http://www.ncaa.org, select "news releases" -- it was issued on 7 May 2001