What exactly is palming the ball and How do I tell the differeance betwwen that and just plain dribbling?

Palming the ball is coach-speak for letting the ball come to rest in the hand and then continuing the dribble.

ART. 4 . . . The dribble ends when:

a. The dribbler catches or causes the ball to come to rest in one or both hands.
b. The dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands.
c. The dribbler simultaneously touches the ball with both hands.
d. An opponent bats (intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) the ball.

There you go again! :D

Sorry. Plastered this before I saw your comment on other thread.

My intent is not to annoy.

I know it's not. I just think people should look up the rules themselves.

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Ralph;
If the hand goes below the equator, and the ball is moving horizontally, that's palming.

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Why?

I'd rather he quote the rule than to post an incorrect opinion about what he "thinks" the rule is like some do.

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True (assuming he dribbles again), but that's not the only way to do it.

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Oh? Is that one of them there IAABO interpretations that I've heard so much about?

Where may I find that concept in a real, live rule book or case book? :confused:

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Why wouldn't this be palming, assuming the dribbler continues to dribble? If one of the cases for a dribble ending is "The dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands," it would seem logical to consider that the ball came to rest if the hand is on the bottom half of the ball and the ball moves horizontally? Maybe my thoughts are clouded a bit by some volleyball-ish thinking, but unless there is a clean "hit" (undoubtedly the wrong term) that changes the ball's direction, there would seem to be some measure of carrying the ball involved if the hand is below the equator on the ball when it's moving vertically and the direction of the ball changes significantly horizontally. :confused:

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No, it's just an obvious real-life example of palming.

Not sure. But I am sure he described a palming violation.

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Can you legally tap the ball from beneath sideways during a dribble? Apparently not, according to what I read above.

Know what? I think some interpreter somewhere, or maybe someone teaching at a clinic or camp, decided to make his own personal contribution to officiating knowledge. His last gasp for refereeing glory <i>per se</i>. Some people seem do it every now and then for some reason- usually just to put their own stamp on something that hasn't changed in a million years--like palming.

The best direction the FED ever gave imo for calling "palming" was contained in a POE back in the 2000-01 rulebook.

<b>PALMING:</b> "Offensive players 'palming the ball continue to gain a tremendous advantage over defensive player(s). Emphasis is not only to be given to the dribbler's hand position, but also the activity of the ball while the dribble is occuring. 'Palming' not only occurs while the palm is facing 'skyward' but can also occur when the palm is facing the floor. <b>The key to officiating this play consistently and correctly is to determine if the ball has come to rest</b>".

That's why the palming definition is rule 4-15-4(b) is so simply described- "The dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands".

Imo, that's all you need to know to make the call correctly. Forget about all the other gobbleygook people try to to use to tell you how to call it. It's a straight judgement call. If you feel that the ball came to rest, then the dribble ended. If the player then dribbles again, it's an illegal second dribble.

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What the heck is "gobbleygook" about the description that was initially given? The palm is face-up, and is in contact with the ball as the ball moves horizontally. That's an obvious palming violation. Hardly gobbleygook, in my gobbleybook.

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Sorry, I spelt it wrong originally.

"Gobbledygook- "gob-ble-dy-gook"- <b>unclear wordy jargon</b>.

Where does it say the palm was face up? The description was some gobbledygook about the hand being south of the equator? Personally, I don't have a clue what that means. The equator runs sideways, doesn't it? Not up and down? Doesn't it maybe mean that the hand is below the waist also? Can't the palm be also face-up and in contact with the ball moving horizontally when the dribbler taps or tips the ball sideways?

With the hands and quickness some of these players have nowadays, you really think that's an automatic violation? Naw, I can't agree with that at all. Just go by the rule book definition and forget all the gobbledygook. What could be easier and simpler than "the ball coming to rest in the dribblers hand(s)"?

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Dec 24th, 2005 at 06:14 PM]

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If you're talking about a tap or bat, then I'll agree with you. I took "Hard" to be talking about a dribble, which is where palming is always called. I will agree with you that a bat will not be palming, even if the palm is facing upward. However, I will remain adamant that if "Hard"'s description occurs during a dribble, it's an easy violation.

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The direction of the palm and the location of the hand with respect to the ball may be clues about palming but alone they are insufficient to determine if it is palming.

A player may bat the ball during a dribble just as at any other time. They may do so with the palm upward and the hand beneath the ball. All legal. The only restriction is that, if batted upward (which can only be done with the hand below), the ball must be allowed to touch the floor before the dribbler can contact it again. If they briefly catch it instead of batting it, it turns into palming.