Palming the ball

[RalphtDog]

What exactly is palming the ball and How do I tell the differeance betwwen that and just plain dribbling?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by RalphtDog
What exactly is palming the ball and How do I tell the differeance betwwen that and just plain dribbling?

Palming the ball is coach-speak for letting the ball come to rest in the hand and then continuing the dribble.

[Ref Daddy]

ART. 4 . . . The dribble ends when:

a. The dribbler catches or causes the ball to come to rest in one or both hands.
b. The dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands.
c. The dribbler simultaneously touches the ball with both hands.
d. An opponent bats (intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) the ball.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy
ART. 4 . . . The dribble ends when:

a. The dribbler catches or causes the ball to come to rest in one or both hands.
b. The dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands.
c. The dribbler simultaneously touches the ball with both hands.
d. An opponent bats (intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) the ball.

There you go again!

[Ref Daddy]

Originally posted by rainmaker

There you go again!

Sorry. Plastered this before I saw your comment on other thread.

My intent is not to annoy.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy

Sorry. Plastered this before I saw your comment on other thread.

My intent is not to annoy.

I know it's not. I just think people should look up the rules themselves.

[Hard]

Ralph;
If the hand goes below the equator, and the ball is moving horizontally, that's palming.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Hard
Ralph;
If the hand goes below the equator, and the ball is moving horizontally, that's palming.

Why?

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy

Sorry. Plastered this before I saw your comment on other thread.

My intent is not to annoy.

I'd rather he quote the rule than to post an incorrect opinion about what he "thinks" the rule is like some do.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Hard
Ralph;
If the hand goes below the equator, and the ball is moving horizontally, that's palming.

True (assuming he dribbles again), but that's not the only way to do it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

True (assuming he dribbles again), but that's not the only way to do it.

Oh? Is that one of them there IAABO interpretations that I've heard so much about?

Where may I find that concept in a real, live rule book or case book?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Oh? Is that one of them there IAABO interpretations that I've heard so much about?

Where may I find that concept in a real, live rule book or case book?

Why wouldn't this be palming, assuming the dribbler continues to dribble? If one of the cases for a dribble ending is "The dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands," it would seem logical to consider that the ball came to rest if the hand is on the bottom half of the ball and the ball moves horizontally? Maybe my thoughts are clouded a bit by some volleyball-ish thinking, but unless there is a clean "hit" (undoubtedly the wrong term) that changes the ball's direction, there would seem to be some measure of carrying the ball involved if the hand is below the equator on the ball when it's moving vertically and the direction of the ball changes significantly horizontally.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Oh? Is that one of them there IAABO interpretations that I've heard so much about?

No, it's just an obvious real-life example of palming.

Where may I find that concept in a real, live rule book or case book?

Not sure. But I am sure he described a palming violation.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle

Why wouldn't this be palming, assuming the dribbler continues to dribble? If one of the cases for a dribble ending is "The dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands," it would seem logical to consider that the ball came to rest if the hand is on the bottom half of the ball and the ball moves horizontally? Maybe my thoughts are clouded a bit by some volleyball-ish thinking, but unless there is a clean "hit" (undoubtedly the wrong term) that changes the ball's direction, there would seem to be some measure of carrying the ball involved if the hand is below the equator on the ball when it's moving vertically and the direction of the ball changes significantly horizontally.

Can you legally tap the ball from beneath sideways during a dribble? Apparently not, according to what I read above.

Know what? I think some interpreter somewhere, or maybe someone teaching at a clinic or camp, decided to make his own personal contribution to officiating knowledge. His last gasp for refereeing glory per se. Some people seem do it every now and then for some reason- usually just to put their own stamp on something that hasn't changed in a million years--like palming.

The best direction the FED ever gave imo for calling "palming" was contained in a POE back in the 2000-01 rulebook.

PALMING: "Offensive players 'palming the ball continue to gain a tremendous advantage over defensive player(s). Emphasis is not only to be given to the dribbler's hand position, but also the activity of the ball while the dribble is occuring. 'Palming' not only occurs while the palm is facing 'skyward' but can also occur when the palm is facing the floor. The key to officiating this play consistently and correctly is to determine if the ball has come to rest".

That's why the palming definition is rule 4-15-4(b) is so simply described- "The dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands".

Imo, that's all you need to know to make the call correctly. Forget about all the other gobbleygook people try to to use to tell you how to call it. It's a straight judgement call. If you feel that the ball came to rest, then the dribble ended. If the player then dribbles again, it's an illegal second dribble.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Forget about all the other gobbleygook people try to to use to tell you how to call it.

What the heck is "gobbleygook" about the description that was initially given? The palm is face-up, and is in contact with the ball as the ball moves horizontally. That's an obvious palming violation. Hardly gobbleygook, in my gobbleybook.