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Luv4Asian8 Tue Dec 20, 2005 08:32pm

Just wanted to know if I handled this right...

Girls JV, 3QTR
Team A: 56
Team B: 35
Double Bonus both ways

B1 shoots a 3-pointer, LANDS. While the ball is still airborne, B1 fouled by A1 in an attempt by A1 to box out B1. I called the push foul. 3-pt basket goes in.

To my understanding, because B1 already landed, she is no longer an airborne shooter, thus the box out is a common foul. After discussing this momentarily with my partner (about the same amount of experience), my report was:

Basket good (3pt)
Foul after the shot
White Shirt 33, Push
2 shots (double bonus)

Maybe because Team A was already quite a bit ahead that I didn't get any complaints for Team A or coach. I did explain to him what and why I reported and seemed to understand.

Any thoughts?
Thanks.

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Dec 20, 2005 08:36pm

Ya nailed it.

mick Tue Dec 20, 2005 08:46pm

Nice job.
 
Luv4Asian8,
Nice explanation.
Clear, concise, and convincing

crazy voyager Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:56am

yep, you nailed it perfectly ;) by FIBA rules too

Mark Dexter Wed Dec 21, 2005 08:44am

About the only thing that seems wrong is being in the double bonus in the 3rd quarter. :p

Luv4Asian8 Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:12pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
About the only thing that seems wrong is being in the double bonus in the 3rd quarter. :p
lol, which is why i put GJV first...needless to say, it was a long game.

btw, B1 violated on 2nd FT, so only a 4pt. but yknow why i asked. :)

Thanks everyone!

Mark Padgett Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:23pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Luv4Asian8

B1 shoots a 3-pointer
Any thoughts?

Yeah. Why was the defense shooting?

ATXCoach Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:32pm

Ok, similar situation -

A1 shoots and scores, while the ball is in the air B1 fouls A2, Team A is in the double bonus.

How many shots for A2 - 1 or 2?

What if Team A is not in the bonus, does Team A then gain possesion of the ball?

How would it change if the foul occurred simultaneous to the shot, before the shooter landed, or after a made basket?

Thanks



mick Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:44pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ATXCoach
Ok, similar situation -

A1 shoots and scores, while the ball is in the air B1 fouls A2, Team A is in the double bonus.

How many shots for A2 - 1 or 2?
2

What if Team A is not in the bonus, does Team A then gain possesion of the ball?
Ball to Team A


How would it change if the foul occurred simultaneous to the shot, before the shooter landed, or after a made basket?
Continuous motion and airborne shooter principles by A1 still apply.

Texas Aggie Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:53pm

ATX: (FED) the only time one free throw is awarded is when the shooter is fouled and the basket is made. If A2 (by definition not the shooter) is fouled, you enforce that with either A team out of bounds for a throw in (answers your not in the bonus question), or the 1-1/2 shot bonus.

There would be no such thing as "simultaneous" to the shot, as far as the rules are concerned. The calling official would have to get with his or her partner and decide which happened first: the shot or the foul. USUALLY, the ruling is going to be the shot, if the sequence was so close, as you don't want to penalize team A for team B's foul.

"Before the shooter landed" is after the shot and has no bearing on the situation. Whatever the airborne shooter rule is and how it differs among codes doesn't affect fouls away from the ball. Similar to a shooter landing inside the three point line though the shot was attempted from behind the line.

Finally: after a made basket, the ball is technically dead and remains so until it is at the disposal of a thrower for a throw in. Contact during a dead ball is ignored unless intentional or flagrant. If someone goes to the floor, its likely we will rule that intentional.

Guys: correct me if I've missed a case interp somewhere along the line as I've been away from officiating for a while and just getting back in.

ATXCoach Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:59pm

Thanks Texas Aggie, I appreciate your responses and the explanation.

BTW -

Hook 'Em - National Champs on Jan. 4th :)


M&M Guy Wed Dec 21, 2005 06:02pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ATXCoach
BTW -

Hook 'Em - National Champs on Jan. 4th :)


Why, is that when the lacrosse championships are held?

;)

Mark Padgett Wed Dec 21, 2005 06:25pm

Quote:

Originally posted by M&M Guy
Quote:

Originally posted by ATXCoach
BTW -

Hook 'Em - National Champs on Jan. 4th :)


Why, is that when the lacrosse championships are held?

;)

No, I think it's calf roping.

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 21, 2005 06:57pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by M&M Guy
Quote:

Originally posted by ATXCoach
BTW -

Hook 'Em - National Champs on Jan. 4th :)


Why, is that when the lacrosse championships are held?

;)

No, I think it's calf roping.

No, I think that "hook 'em" has got sumthin' to do with the Texas cheerleaders' part-time ...ah...avocation. :D

Forksref Wed Dec 21, 2005 07:04pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by Luv4Asian8

B1 shoots a 3-pointer
Any thoughts?

Yeah. Why was the defense shooting?

B is the name of the team. They could only afford one letter for the jersey.


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