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ref18 Sun Dec 18, 2005 07:02pm

Boys V Game

A1 Dribbling toward the basket and starts the motion to shoot.

B1 Hits A1 on the arm as B2 makes a clean block.


TWEET!! "B1 Hit 2 shots"

Coach "I Want an Explanation"

I go over there, walk him back off the court (No T's yet this year) and say, "Coach, number 52 hit him as he was in the act of shooting." And then I walked to my position to administer the throws.

The look on his face was priceless.

Just thought I'd share


Mark Padgett Sun Dec 18, 2005 07:28pm

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Originally posted by ref18

"B1 Hit 2 shots"

Why did B1 hit 2 shots? Shouldn't A1 have been shooting? I want an explanation too.

ref18 Sun Dec 18, 2005 08:00pm

How bout "Red 14 Hit, 2 shots white 23's shooting"

Better :p

ChuckElias Sun Dec 18, 2005 08:38pm

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Originally posted by ref18
How bout "Red 14 Hit, 2 shots white 23's shooting"

Better :p

Nope. No need to vocalize the infraction unless you're using pro mechanics; which I realize is actually the case to a certain extent in the -- wait for it -- SEC.

Although it'll be interesting to see if that continues.

JugglingReferee Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:46pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by ref18
How bout "Red 14 Hit, 2 shots white 23's shooting"

Better :p

Nope. No need to vocalize the infraction unless you're using pro mechanics; which I realize is actually the case to a certain extent in the -- wait for it -- SEC.

Although it'll be interesting to see if that continues.

Chuck,

Although I am reffing a lot less this year after starting a business, the mechanic in Ontario is to verbalize the infraction.

I did not know we verbalize the shooter though. J????

ref18 Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:21pm

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Originally posted by JugglingReferee
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by ref18
How bout "Red 14 Hit, 2 shots white 23's shooting"

Better :p

Nope. No need to vocalize the infraction unless you're using pro mechanics; which I realize is actually the case to a certain extent in the -- wait for it -- SEC.

Although it'll be interesting to see if that continues.

Chuck,

Although I am reffing a lot less this year after starting a business, the mechanic in Ontario is to verbalize the infraction.

I did not know we verbalize the shooter though. J????

It's not an official mechanic, it's good communication.

Camron Rust Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:14am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by ref18
How bout "Red 14 Hit, 2 shots white 23's shooting"

Better :p

Nope. No need to vocalize the infraction unless you're using pro mechanics;

Originally, I didn't vocalize the infraction until I told to do so from more than one camp evaluator.

zebraman Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:47am

If I understand the original post correctly, this is an NFHS game and it's the preliminary signal. Officials manual specifies that we do verbalize.

Z

JRutledge Mon Dec 19, 2005 01:01am

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Originally posted by zebraman
If I understand the original post correctly, this is an NFHS game and it's the preliminary signal. Officials manual specifies that we do verbalize.

Z

Where does it say to verbalize the type of foul?

I read where it says to give the signal, but I do not see anything where it says you have to verbalize the call.

Peace

JugglingReferee Mon Dec 19, 2005 09:01am

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Originally posted by ref18
It's not an official mechanic, it's good communication.
So do you do this every foul call?

Just the ones that need it? Which ones are those? Is this something that can't be taught?

bob jenkins Mon Dec 19, 2005 09:09am

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Originally posted by JugglingReferee
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Originally posted by ref18
It's not an official mechanic, it's good communication.
So do you do this every foul call?

Just the ones that need it? Which ones are those? Is this something that can't be taught?

I do it when their might be some confusion over the foul. In the case presented, it's likely that most B supporters (including the coaches) only saw the "clean block" by B2. So, I'd indicate that the foul was on B1. I also tend to incdicate the foul on most off-ball calls.

When A1 is on a break-away and B1 is the only defender back and commits the foul, I tend not to indicate anything other than by blowing my whistle and raising the fist.


FrankHtown Mon Dec 19, 2005 09:29am

I've found it very helpful to verbalize the color, number , infraction, and the shooter's number in the event of a shot attempt at the spot of the foul. I do it on every foul I call.

In case something happens in between the time I call the foul and report it ( trash talk,..pick players up off the floor...whatever) ..all I have to do is repeat to the table what I said out loud the first time.

Also, if your partner is listening and you say it loud enough, it avoids the "Uh...Uhhh...who did I call the foul on?" "Who is the shooter?"

It's been recommended at the camps I've been at (in Houston), and it really helps when you get distracted before you report the foul to the table


JRutledge Mon Dec 19, 2005 09:41am

I do not have a problem with anyone verbalizing anything. It is not required in the NF Official's Manual to verbalize the type of foul. I agree that in many cases you would verbalize the player's number or other things if you choose to. I do know that if a foul is very obvious I might not say anything. If there is a bunch of bodies around the ball or off-ball contact, then I will use my voice to help sell the call. There is one thing I do not do hardly at all is say what kind of foul it is at the table. That is just how I roll.

Peace


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