JV-G, 3rd game of season

During a live ball, player is tying a shoe. Visiting coach yells "call time, ref, she's tying her shoe". I say "you want a time out?" He says, "no, you've gotta stop play". I say "no, I don't". He says "that's a safety issue".

During the next time out he complains that he's had it three times and the refs have called it. His school is in a different Board district, so maybe they do out there but I've never seen it called nor have I called it in anything but maybe 2nd and 3rd grade Rec ball.

What do you do?

I did ask in pregame if all equipment was correct. Obviously he needs to work in practice on securing clothes/uniforms. Maybe he should focus on putting the ball in the basket also because his team was on the short end of a 57-9 final score. But what do I know, I'm just a ref not a coach.

if its a dead ball
 

i will give the player time to tie his shoe before putting the ball in play -- also if his team has the ball and they are just walking the ball up the court i will stop and let him tie his shoe -- i do this only once a game where i would stop the action any subsequent time i just let it play until a dead ball or if the coach insists i must stop the game to let his player tie his shoe -- blow the whistle and call a timeout for his team -- coach will complain and then you tell him "coach i am going to go and report something to the table that starts with a letter T which one do you want?"

happened twice and both times the coach went with the timeout.

maybe he should get some bow-biters for his players.

Suggest to the coach that his players double-knot their shoes. Don't stop play.

What a crock. I've heard that too.

Only time I'll stop a live ball for something related is (happened once) eye-glass's knocked off in the post.

The coach has time outs, substitutions and dead ball opportunity. not the referee's problem. There are 9 other players playing.

Tell the coach that the player can tie his/her shoe out of bounds. When the player steps out of bounds, blow your whistle, signal the violation and allow the player to tie the shoe.

A JV coach said this? Unbelievable! That's the thinking of a 5/6 grade coach.

square knot.
 

Re: square knot.
 

Wow. There's actually a website devoted to this?

Obviously the creator of the site has had too many donuts in his/her lifetime.

That's why I haven't created such a site; I haven't had enough donuts.

Re: Re: square knot.
 

Didn't you get the email this morning?

Guess not...

Re: Re: Re: square knot.
 

You can donuts by e-mail now?

Wow, that Dunkin' guy is good...

Re: Re: Re: Re: square knot.
 

No you silly goose. Here's how it works:

A1 emails A2 to thank him for bringing in the donuts on a particular morning (for argument's sake let's say this morning). Then, quick as a bunny you drive to the airport and fly to where said donuts are located.

Plus or minus a 200 mile drive in your rent-a-car you have hot coffee and fresh donuts...or cold coffee and old donuts, depending on what airport you fly out of.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention all bets are off if said donuts slide down a snowy 70' cliff...but sh!t, when does THAT happen??

[Edited by Dan_ref on Dec 14th, 2005 at 07:07 PM]

John Wooden's first basketball lesson to his teams was Shoe-tying 101. Anyone who's shoe comes untied during the game comes out.

Lesson number 2...

Wear the best clothes your hush-hush money will buy you, then Wooden would look the other way.

"I see nothing, I hear nothing."

An alert player would say "Shoe's untied" next time down the court. ;)

Thanks, gang.

Yeah, an actual high school JV coach. I tried not to respond too much. Only asked if he wanted a time out and then said "no, I don't". The varsity guys had a good laugh about it, too.

Sometimes when I do a younger kids rec game, at the jump ball I'll say "Everybody's shoes tied?" There's usually one or two that will take that opportunity to tighten them up.

Shoe-tying 101? At UCLA? Did Walton take it more than once?

Re: if its a dead ball
 

Are you serious?

They all took "it" more than once. Why do you think they were driving around in Bentley's, wearing alligator shoes?

Not only did they attend "Shoe-tying 101", they made good money working at "McDonalds".

Back then, the underground income and perks were much better in college compared to being an NBA rookie.

johnny1784,
Bill Walton was an Academic All-American.
What were some of the income and perks for UCLA players?
mick

WORK PAID FOR THAT WAS NOT PERFORMED, CLOTHING, AUTOS, CASH, HOOKERS, ETC.


Debate has become a pain in the asterisk
By Bruce Jenkins

There once was scandal in a magical kingdom. It was the realm of a legendary sports figure, not so saintly as he appeared, and it seems relevant to the Barry Bonds-with-an-asterisk issue that has dominated spring-training conversation.

The scene was West Los Angeles in the late 1960s and early '70s, a time when UCLA basketball ran roughshod over the competition. Coach John Wooden's club almost literally was unbeatable, with a stable of future NBA standouts that spoke brilliantly to his recruiting powers.

As it turned out, the Bruins didn't play by the rules. Over the years, it came to light that a wealthy alumnus named Sam Gilbert bestowed lavish favors upon players and potential recruits, from cars to free apartments to cold cash -- anything to maintain the party-hearty atmosphere that surrounded the team at that time.

As opposed to Wooden, who was interested only in the players' on-court behavior and deeply resented the student rebellion of the time, Gilbert was a friend and father figure who could talk to players about personal matters. And Wooden, it was always said, simply looked the other way.

In subsequent years, investigative pieces in the Los Angeles Times exposed Gilbert's activities as clearly illegal by NCAA standards, even quoting sources claiming he was involved with the Miami mafia. "For years, the NCAA ignored everything," said Mike Littwin, one of the Times' chief reporters on the story (the only sanction was to ban Gilbert from any association with the program). "They didn't want to mess with the Wooden legend."

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Excerpts from the article,

“Cheerleaders or Reporters?”
By Ken Krayeske

…Go back 30 years, though, and the UCLA run of 10 national basketball championships that laid the groundwork for puff-pastry sports writing "We all know that Sam Gilbert [a rich Los Angeles businessman] was the sugar daddy for UCLA basketball players [in the early 1970s]," Secia says. Gilbert lavished players and coaches with illegal gifts.

In 1990, Gilbert died three days before the federal government was to indict him for laundering drug money at his Bicycle Club Casino in Los Angeles. "But [any connection between Gilbert and the team] was untouchable because it was [UCLA coach] John Wooden territory. Everybody knew what was going on at UCLA, just as they did at the Kennedy White House, but nobody did anything about it. People are reporting it now," he says, but then, it was good for college basketball to sweep it under the rug…

Re: Re: if its a dead ball
 

The T-word way of handling it seems quite juvenile to me.

Also, I have a major problem with him making up his own rule to stop the game one time for a team to tie a shoe. There is no provision in the rules which allows him to do this. He is simply making up his own rule. Why only do it once, if you are going to break the rules once, why not twice or three times?

Don't do stuff like this is my advice.

Re: Re: Re: if its a dead ball
 

He hasn't answered yet so I'm hoping he wasn't serious. This whole "process" is ridiculous!

[Edited by tomegun on Dec 16th, 2005 at 08:57 AM]

Those reporters [Jenkins, Krayeske] very carefully said nothing.
mick

Those reporters said quite a bit that John Wooden coached many basketball athletes who benefited from illegal gifts while attending UCLA and John being similar to Sergeant Schultz, "I see nothing", just ignored the obvious with his players wearing expensive suites, alligator shoes while driving luxury automobiles.

You may want to read this book;
<b>Raw Recruits by Alexander Wolff & Armen Keteyian (1991)</b>
An insight on the corruption, influences and other problems associated with recruiting and the inner workings of college basketball in the mid 1980's.

Simple that kid can tie his shoe at the next dead ball, i'll give him time then.