Varsity (boys) game two minutes into the game. What would you do?

Next dead ball, go straight to the head coach (because you already know who he is) and ask him loud enough for his assistant to hear....."who's the Head Coach here?" When he tells you that he is, then remind him that "nobody else should be up and certainly nobody else should be BEGGING for calls." He'll take care of the rest.

Depends.

Where's the partner and where are you? If I'm table side I'm whacking him.

Snake, My partner was the T with alot of action in front of him. I was table side (L).

We covered all the POE this year during the coaches meeting bench decorum; coaching box; Administrator present; Medical Aid available; sportsmanship.

I simply tell the HC that if he doesn't control has AC I will T him and you will lose bench privelages. It's never failed to work for me yet, course there's always a first time for everything! :>C

In my game, if I see the assistant up off the bench yelling at any official, there will be a technical assessed to the bench. This is NOT a warning situation. I stuck an assistant last night for whining about calls. It was 2nd quarter, 6 point game. He never got up off the bench and I gave the coach a very clear message that I wasn't going to take that from his bench before the T. Tonight he comes up to me, he's scouting, and apologizes and says 'it's taken care of, won't happen again'. I said, no big deal, it's you who had to sit the evening. He said that it had happened before, the assistant sometimes didn't listen to him but had never been T'd. Now that he has, administration became involved and the problem is solved. Maybe so, maybe not, just food for thought...

What's the question?

This is an automatic T, IMO.

This is exactly what I say and do. Usually that stops all comments after that.

Peace

I might tell the head coach to take care of his assistant immediately. I might T the assistant w/o warning. It depends on many things such as how far off the bench he was, how loud and demonstrative he was, and what kind of day I had. (OK, just kidding about the last part).

Z

"who's the head coach here?"


This approach is unprofessional, imho. You already know who the head coach is because you talked to him in the pregame meeting. Go to him and ask that he take care of his bench if that's what needs to be done, don't act like an a$$ and go over there on a rampage. That gets us nowhere.

I agree. Quietly tell the coach he needs to control his bench.

Whether or not the assistant gets an immediate T depends on the game situation and your own level of tolerance.

In the situation I described....who was on a rampage? It's just like in business, you DO get somwhere when you ask questions you already know the answer to. Over time, this stitch has played out enough times for me to know that this response works perfectly. Now, if it's not your personality, then don't do it. In fact, I believe you'll get alot farther by working with the HC then sticking the AC and now HC has to sit. You do what works for you though. :)

I also agree. My comment is "Coach, your assistant is about to cost you 2 shots and your coaching box." Works like a charm.

Agree again. Also depends on the vehemence and/or content of the comments.

You should have stuck him!!!!! The only warning he got was in your coaches pregame.

Gotta agree with Chuck.

If the assistant does *not* leave the bench, asks for a call,
but does not scream, what is an appropriate response?

What part of Virginia do you officiate??

Say to the HEAD coach, "Coach, please remind your bench that you're the only one who's allowed to talk to the officials. Thanks."

I agree with a lot of what has been said already. It depends on how far off the bench the AC was and what his tone is/was? If he was showing an official up then T him immediately; however, dont be too quick to hit the TWEETER and hand out a T. I never speak to AC just to HC's. If you give the HC and stern stiff warning such as: "you are the only one allowed up off the bench and your AC needs to have a seat and stop yelling...if not its gonna cost you your box." I know this will work. I just recently, this year, started coaching and hung the wistle up for a few years. In our game last night, I was all over the place, coaching from tip to final horn. I was never yelling at an official or even asking for a call, just coaching my players. I was outta the box more than in, but I was coaching. I think officials will grant you this as long as your not at mid court screaming at them....coaching is one thing and lobbying for calls is another.

The reason I say this is because I value my priviledge as a coach to walk the sideline and COACH. Most coaches do. So if you, as an official, issue a stern warning to a HC about his AC, then most of the time the HC will take care of the situation.

Ok, I did give the assistant a "T". He is off the bench two steps on the floor. This is a no brainer IMO. I have been observing experienced officials apply some of those warnings mentioned in other comments. It has not worked because they (coaches) know those officials officiating their game do not want to write a report to the state. Both schools involved in the match have rowdy fans, coaches and assistants. The assistant coach behavior was not appropriate under any circumstances. Once again, as a crew we covered bench decorum; coaching box; sportmanship; proper wear of uniform in pregame with HC. IMO, sufficient warning given. IMO, there are too many warnings being given out during course of season.

You stated it yourself, you are in violation of a rule out of coaching box. Did the officials cover the coaching box with you in their pregame? Stern warning issue in pregame with coaches.

The conduct you describe is a POE this year. Discipline, yourself to stay within the confines of the box.

Let them hang themselves
 

You always want to give the team the rope to hang themselves when you can. It is better when they violate something after you have made a point. If you ask them the question about who is the head coach (loud enough) so that it can be heard by the AC, they know where you stand. If you decide to give a T after that, then they cannot say later, "You did not give us a warning." Of course you never have to give a warning and it will depend on the type of comment that was made as well. If all they are doing is yelling about a call and not being vulgar or just flat out disrespectful and personal with their words, give them an out. If they choose to pursue you further, then they cannot complain.

Last night I had an AC standing while coaching and I told him to sit down. He was not yelling at me or my partner, but he was violating the rules. I let him know where I stood and we did not have a problem the entire game. If I would have just T'd the coach, the coach would have clearly thought I was being a red-*** about this rule. I had a very brief word with the HC and we did not have another problem with either bench the rest of the night. Give them an out to make the right decision.

Peace

First time I hear the Asst. Coach I'm giving the Head Coach the opportunity to deal with it. The second time it's an automatic whack.

So, let me get this right. First, time shame on you. Second, shame on me. Got it!

I agree completely - I would have done the same in this situation. Direct T to assistant, indirect T to HC, & now they both get to sit the rest of the game. My tolerance window would also get extremely narrow - next inappropriate word or action by the AC earns him an early exit & the HC his 2nd indirect T.

If the AC's conduct hasn't quite stepped across the line yet, then you can often nip it in the bud with a calm but firm "coach, you need to get your bench under control" to the HC at the first opportunity.

As I said, I am not officiating this season, I'm coaching. So I wasnt at the meetings this year. The way I see things is this...if a coach is outta the box yelling at an official about a call then get him/her back in the box...but if a coach is coaching the game then nothing is being hurt IMO. I was told by the 2 officials working the game last night that if the opposing coach complains about me being out of the box then it would be a problem...but as long as I was coaching and not yelling at them they were fine with it.

While I agree, it's not how the FED sees it, nor how my state wants it enforced. So, I do what I'm told.

You should find out whether what the two officials told you is the standard in your area.

I agree completely Bob. Had the officials told me to stay in the box and not come out, thats where I woulda been. I'm sure this was probably addressed at the officials meetings before the season. I guess the 2man crew last night didnt want to enforce it. By the way we won 47-21.

You can coach from within the box. Coach, it is large enough. This is a common problem. The coach is not bothering me he/she can do whatever they like. In the state which I reside (Missouri) regardless if the coach is just coach he/she is required to stay within the confines of the coaching box period. It should not take another coach to complain for the rule to be enforced. For Example, I was the opposing coach and I see that you are getting away with something illegal like being out of the box. I am going to do the same thing which is going to cause a snowball effect on the game. Not only do the official have to worry about the 10 player and action on the court. They are going to have to worry about managing two coaches on the sidelines as well. Thus, making it to be a very long night.

In PA you would be given one warning to stay in the box. The regional evaluators are tying enforcement of the coaches box to playoff opportunities. Around here, at least thus far this season, the box is getting special emphasis.

This is such a cop out. EVERYONE (ref, coach, fanboy) knows about the coaching box. It was re-instated (for some) so that coaches could rise and coach rather than have to sit the entire game. The name in and of itself implies the limitation that you must remain within the confines of said box or open yourself up to the prescribed penalty. Coaches receive rulebooks and instruction from their local association prior to the season, so they are fully aware of what can be penalized. It is a coaches job to know the rules and coach their team within the rules.

For some officials this is the first warning, you are quite likely to get another warning or two during the course of a game. Now multiply that by 25 games, and a coach has received this warning 50 TIMES!

Now add to this the fact that you have been a referee, you should have a complete understanding.

We were told the exact same thing (we discussed this over a month ago too). Our playoff opportunities depended on our enforcement of this rule. I have not had a problem with this rule the entire year. I have told coaches to be aware of the box and they comply. At least they do as far as I can see. I am not spending a lot of time looking at coaches anyway.

Peace

If you are out of the box and the other coach is staying in the box, then you are gaining an unfair advantage, i.e., you are able to get closer to your players then the other coach who has respect for the box boundaries.

This whole topic got beat to death on another thread a few weeks back.

Assistant coaches are made to be seen and not heard. That's my rule.

In most cases, I find that you are best to give the head coach a single chance to deal with it. They may not like you for it later on, but at the time, giving them ONE chance to deal with it makes for great game management.
The head coach will always take the bait and silence the assistant before he loses the box and gets the embarassment that goes with it.

Of course, if there are some times when the immediate whack is what's necessary. But I would suggest that letting the head coach silence the assistant works wonders and saves you the headaches.

2 steps on the floor complaining about a call, he SHOULD get a call. :)

Does this mean everyone else gets one warning each for unsporting behavior?

I thought your coach's re-game dialogue included sporting behavior by addressing the head coach, he/she is responsible for the conduct of their players, and assistant coach’s and bench personnel?

Something very similar to this happened to me on Monday night, actually. Assistant coach stayed seated, but was hollering about illegal screens a couple straight times down the floor. "They're doing it EVERY TIME! EVERY TIME! MOVING SCREEN! CALL IT!" What did I do?

I showed the assistant coach my palm. "No more."

Next dead ball, I told the head coach that, while I would listen to her, I couldn't have her assistant barking at me all night.

That ended that--no more sounds from any coach all night. It helped that my partner and I made absolutely no errors :). I will therefore stick with that technique for hushing up assistants.

That said, if any assistant is on the floor and yelling, I'm giving a T.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TimTaylor

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I agree completely - I would have done the same in this situation. Direct T to assistant, indirect T to HC, & now they both get to sit the rest of the game.

A direct to the assistant and an indirect to the head coach? I agree with the indirect, but wasn't aware we could also issue a direct to the assistant.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BLydic

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Originally posted by TimTaylor Quote: I agree completely - I would have done the same in this situation. Direct T to assistant, indirect T to HC, & now they both get to sit the rest of the game. A direct to the assistant and an indirect to the head coach? I agree with the indirect, but wasn't aware we could also issue a direct to the assistant.

That's been in the books for years. The head coach is responsible for everybody on his bench- subs, assistant coaches, stats people, eqpt mgrs., trainers, etc. If anybody on the bench gets a T, it's a direct T charged to that person, and the coach also gets an indirect T that counts towards his bye-bye total.