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BigGref Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:41am

Player A1 drives toward opp. basket, without influence by other player the ball is mishandled to the point of juggling at shoulder/head level for a distance of about 3 steps. At this point has a violation occured, if not can he/she shoot, dribble, pass, or stop and reestablish pivot? basically when does player control end and how does this effect traveling violations in the stated case?
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BktBallRef Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:56am

If he's not holding the ball, he can't travel.

What can he do? He can do anything that was legal if he had not fumbled the ball. The fumble is of no consequence.

RookieDude Sun Dec 04, 2005 01:07am

Check out 4-15-4 pg. 24 in this year's NFHS Simplified & Illustrated picture book.

Also the Case Book has some good examples of legal and illegal dribbles...4.15.4 SITUATIONS.

[Edited by RookieDude on Dec 4th, 2005 at 01:09 AM]

fan Sun Dec 04, 2005 09:50am

What if he is dribbling and the ball gets trapped between his torso and hand for a brief moment, then he continues his dribble (This could be done while moving or standing still)? Violation?

Thanks

bob jenkins Sun Dec 04, 2005 09:55am

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Originally posted by fan
What if he is dribbling and the ball gets trapped between his torso and hand for a brief moment, then he continues his dribble (This could be done while moving or standing still)? Violation?

Thanks

Officials judgment, but most likley a dribblng violation.

BktBallRef Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:26am

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Originally posted by fan
What if he is dribbling and the ball gets trapped between his torso and hand for a brief moment, then he continues his dribble (This could be done while moving or standing still)? Violation?

Thanks

Fan, there's only one way a player can travel without HOLDING the ball. He's on the floor holding the ball, puts the ball on the floor, stands up and picks it up. That's traveling, as the player is circumventing the rule.

No matter other "what if" you come up with, it's not traveling unless he's holding the ball.

Camron Rust Sun Dec 04, 2005 01:29pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by fan
What if he is dribbling and the ball gets trapped between his torso and hand for a brief moment, then he continues his dribble (This could be done while moving or standing still)? Violation?

Thanks

Fan, there's only one way a player can travel without HOLDING the ball. He's on the floor holding the ball, puts the ball on the floor, stands up and picks it up. That's traveling, as the player is circumventing the rule.

No matter other "what if" you come up with, it's not traveling unless he's holding the ball.

...one more goofy exception....Player throws ball into air and runs to catch it before it hits the ground (and was not a shot).

BktBallRef Sun Dec 04, 2005 06:35pm

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Originally posted by Camron Rust
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by fan
What if he is dribbling and the ball gets trapped between his torso and hand for a brief moment, then he continues his dribble (This could be done while moving or standing still)? Violation?

Thanks

Fan, there's only one way a player can travel without HOLDING the ball. He's on the floor holding the ball, puts the ball on the floor, stands up and picks it up. That's traveling, as the player is circumventing the rule.

No matter other "what if" you come up with, it's not traveling unless he's holding the ball.

...one more goofy exception....Player throws ball into air and runs to catch it before it hits the ground (and was not a shot).

I didn't include that one because the case book says that's an illegal dribble, not traveling.

oc Wed Dec 07, 2005 01:27am

Granted this isn't a travel yet. But what if they dribble again? without holding the ball but they did bobble it between dribbles.

rainmaker Wed Dec 07, 2005 01:42am

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Originally posted by oc
Granted this isn't a travel yet. But what if they dribble again? without holding the ball but they did bobble it between dribbles.
Which "this" are we talking about here?

oc Wed Dec 07, 2005 07:35am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by oc
Granted this isn't a travel yet. But what if they dribble again? without holding the ball but they did bobble it between dribbles.
Which "this" are we talking about here?

The original play for this thread.

"Player A1 drives toward opp. basket, without influence by other player the ball is mishandled to the point of juggling at shoulder/head level for a distance of about 3 steps. At this point has a violation occured, if not can he/she shoot, dribble, pass, or stop and reestablish pivot? basically when does player control end and how does this effect traveling violations in the stated case?"

Ref in PA Wed Dec 07, 2005 07:55am

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Originally posted by oc
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by oc
Granted this isn't a travel yet. But what if they dribble again? without holding the ball but they did bobble it between dribbles.
Which "this" are we talking about here?

The original play for this thread.

"Player A1 drives toward opp. basket, without influence by other player the ball is mishandled to the point of juggling at shoulder/head level for a distance of about 3 steps. At this point has a violation occured, if not can he/she shoot, dribble, pass, or stop and reestablish pivot? basically when does player control end and how does this effect traveling violations in the stated case?"

If you judge the player ended his dribble and then fumbled, then recovered the fumble, the player has used up the dribble option. If you deem the fumble as part of the dribble, it should be treated as an interupted dribble. If the player recovers possession by continuing a dribble (not catching, holding the ball, etc.) the dribble can legally continue. Attempting to stop the dribble by catching the ball with two hands, but fumbling the ball would be judged by me as fumbling after the dribble had ended.


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