Nit-picky thing that will bother me, so here goes.

Double digit mismatch the whole game, team ahead has all their young guys in.

Team getting beat hits a shot and kid gathers the ball about 4 feet inbounds and is clearly waiting for the kid that is supposed to inbound the ball. Wait, wait, so okay I'm starting my 5 second count...remember this is the team way ahead with just a few minutes left...I hit 2 on my count as the intended thrower gets there and gets a pass directly into his feet, and the ball goes to the wall a good 15 feet away.

Instinctively I suspended my count until the kid retrieved the ball and picked it back up at 3.

The pass comes in before a 5 count and the other team fouls, and I hear it from the coach.

I tell him I could not penalize a kid when the ball got away like that, and he...correctly...pointed out the other player's delay.

All I could say was, "I heard you coach and you are right."

My partner said he'd have done the same thing in that situation, but I'd like other opinions.

Serious T-day indigestion is at stake.:D

I'll take a crack at it. Last night I had a similar thing happen but to the losing team. The winning team, ahead by about 40, scores and the player on the losing team gets the ball. When he gets set along the end line I start the count. At two he turns and tosses me the ball. I gave it back to him and re-started my count. No one seemed to mind but that's what I did. Not sure if it makes you feel any better. Have a great Thanksgiving.

By rule, the ball is clearly at the team's disposal when the kid is holding it 4 feet inbounds. But I think most of us give the inbounding team the benefit of the doubt and don't start our counts at that point unless they are obviously trying to delay.

If the ball got 15 feet away, you could've blown the whistle and then administered the throw-in yourself, I guess. But I can't argue with the spirit of what you did.

I certainly don't think I would've had a 5-second call there.

How about a 3 second call?

Or maybe just start working on your football picks?

3 seconds in the lane in the backcourt?

You must have started your picks really early.:D

Yes BZ, it's what we in my country call a joke.

Based on the long boring exchange Plentysquirrels & I had earlier.

How about a Thanksgiving "shut up"? :p

And a Thanksgiving shut up to you too!

Peace on Earth and a Thanksgiving shut up to everyone!

BZ, I can't really see how you could have a complaint anyway you did it. You could suspend the count as you did and resume it. You could restart the count at 1. You could have blown the whistle and handed him/her the ball to resume play. The point was just to get the ball back in play. It was a blow out game. It was your discretion. Remember, much of the game is played in tricky area of gray, not just black and white. That's what separates rule book refs and truly good game refs. Now, ENJOY YOUR THANKSGIVING and eat some extra dressing for me!

And a mannequin in a pear tree!!

I see no problem and would do same thing.

Smokey

Thanks for all the replies, even yours Dan.:D

It was just one of those weird plays that catches you and leaves you thinking.

Had it been the team behind 15, I would not have thought twice about it.

Had it been the top 7 players instead of the bottom of the bench, I'd have probably kept my count going.

It was one of those common sense, do what is right for the situation, type of plays and it is always that type of play that makes me dwell.

I hope you will all be able to fit into your pants after today.:D

[Edited by blindzebra on Nov 24th, 2005 at 12:48 PM]

And a mannequin in a pear tree!! [/B][/QUOTE]

I hate it when they play Christmas music during the Thanksgiving holiday :D

What level of play?
 

Jr.High??
H.S. Sub-varsity??
Varsity??

I would most likely hit the whistle and re-administer the throw-in, especially at the lower levels.

Re: What level of play?
 

Boys varsity.

I hate it when they play Christmas music during the Thanksgiving holiday :D [/B][/QUOTE]

That mannequin had NOTHING to do with Christ-Mass!

And a Thanksgiving "shut up" to all!

Sounds like the perfect opportunity to VERBALL instruct the players (when he's standing there with the ball waiting). A firm "Lets Go" might stop phase 1 of your delima.

If you started your count and they threw the ball to you - why restart again? I'm thinking it deflects where ever and you keep counting.

blindzebra,
I would have continued the count so I was not rewarding a stoopid player with the advantage. That's an intent of the rule, I think, to deny a team from using up time [while leading]. The game clock was ticking, wasn't it? The losing team didn't like that, did they?

QED, no indigestion. :)
mick

I don't feel I was rewarding a stoopid player that was trying to delay to keep the clock moving.

I had five scrubs...on the team ahead...holding their own against the starters for the other team with a couple of minutes left. I had a couple of kids that did not know what they were supposed to be doing, and an awful pass. Not some devious attempt to run an extra 5 seconds off the game clock.

I forgot to add that the team behind was not even pressing, they had dropped to pick up at half-court and trap.

In reflection, I might have actually made the game closer, because the winning coach put back a couple of starters after a turnover and a 3 point play at the other end with around a minute left.

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cf. F. stupide.]
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The player was stoopid because his stoopid coach didn't tell him to make the throw in.

The stoopid subs were holding their own because the other team had to play by the rules, while the subs got an unintended advantage.

I certainly don't know if the winning team was up by 10 or up by 99, but whether or not a losing team is pressing or conceeding the rules of timing do not allow 20 seconds for a throw-in and then concession to the complaining coach that he was right.



[Edited by mick on Nov 25th, 2005 at 09:46 PM]

20 seconds? Playing by the rules?

Really big leap there. Glad you can gather all of that from what has been posted.

I told the coach he was right about the initial player delaying, NOT THAT THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A VIOLATION big difference.

I gather too much turkey ruins comprehension skills?

blindzebra,
You didn't give the amount of time that you conceded to the stoopid players, but according to the book there is little difference between 6 seconds or 52 seconds. [I picked 20 merely as an example.] Do you have a time line drawn for that play for your use?

So the other team was not playing by the rules? I just assumed they were. m'bad.
mick

Nah, maybe Mick's just grumpy from shoveling all that snow U.P. there.

10 more inches the last two days, one broken waterline and lost a set of keys this morning. http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies...inted_anim.gif

I agree with you Mick, and I haven't had any snow yet. But I did lose one of those USB memory stick thingies...

Keep counting, give the ball to the other team when you get to 5. Or as Chuck said hit the whistle & restart.

Then neither coach can b1tch (except at their players) and indigestion is avoided.