tomegun Originally posted by Nevadaref JR's ruling is correct. In the IU/Duke game, Donnie Gray made the correct call in my opinion. The IU player had not yet begun the act of shooting on his drive when Sheldon Williams of Duke fouled another IU player under the basket. It was a close call and tough break for IU, but correct by rule. Nevada, what was the shooter doing?
IREFU2 My wife and I were watching that game and it looked like he was in the act of shooting from two of the replay angles. That whistle and the shot was sooooooo close!!!!!
tomegun Originally posted by IREFU2 My wife and I were watching that game and it looked like he was in the act of shooting from two of the replay angles. That whistle and the shot was sooooooo close!!!!! But did the ACT of shooting start before the whistle?
IREFU2 Originally posted by tomegun Originally posted by IREFU2 My wife and I were watching that game and it looked like he was in the act of shooting from two of the replay angles. That whistle and the shot was sooooooo close!!!!! But did the ACT of shooting start before the whistle? Like I said, they were VERY close and even the announcers played back the replay several time and thought so. Without being on the floor or seeing and hearing the playback, one will never know!
tomegun You said the whistle and the shot were close, not the whistle and the beginning of the act of shooting were close. This is very important when deciding on a play like this, BUT if we have to split hairs he should have been considered in the act of shooting.
All_Heart I think he was in the act and I agree with Tomegun that if it's close you should probably count that bucket. Why take away that layup and reward the defense. Also it was funny to hear Vitale saying that they got it right because the ball had not left his hand. And we wonder why fans don't know the rules 🙂.
JRutledge Originally posted by tomegun But did the ACT of shooting start before the whistle? That should not be a factor. The play is usually dead before the whistle is blown. So if the officials feel the foul happen first, no shot. The whistle should not be a factor in their decision. Once again I did not see the entire replay, just the very end. Peace
ChuckElias Originally posted by JRutledge Originally posted by tomegun But did the ACT of shooting start before the whistle? That should not be a factor. The play is usually dead before the whistle is blown. So if the officials feel the foul happen first, no shot. The whistle should not be a factor in their decision. That's a fair point. So let's change the question. Did the ACT of shooting start before the foul?
JRutledge Originally posted by ChuckElias That's a fair point. So let's change the question. Did the ACT of shooting start before the foul? Someone else would have to answer that question I did not see the play. Also this is a judgment call and we had the benefit of slow motion replay. The officials had one shot at the call. It sounds like this was very close. Peace
IREFU2 Here was the orginial scenerio - Indiana's #5 was posting down on the lower block. The ball was passed into another Indiana player. #5 was bocking out anticipating the pass and Williams (Duke) pulled #5 from around the waist to the opposite lane line as the other Indiana player was in the act of shooting, then a whistle was blown. In my opinion, he was shooting when the whistle sounded and the ball actually went into the basket. 2 out of the 3 replay definately showed him shooting.
Forksref Originally posted by Nevadaref JR's ruling is correct. In the IU/Duke game, Donnie Gray made the correct call in my opinion. The IU player had not yet begun the act of shooting on his drive when Sheldon Williams of Duke fouled another IU player under the basket. It was a close call and tough break for IU, but correct by rule. I don't think it was that close. The Duke player grabbed the IU player way before the act of shooting.
Jurassic Referee Straight judgement call. The guys will find out whether they got it right or not from their league evaluator after he looks at the films. Anything until then is just conjecture.
IREFU2 Originally posted by Jurassic Referee Straight judgement call. The guys will find out whether they got it right or not from their league evaluator after he looks at the films. Anything until then is just conjecture. Agreed!!!!!
tomegun Originally posted by Jurassic Referee Straight judgement call. The guys will find out whether they got it right or not from their league evaluator after he looks at the films. Anything until then is just conjecture. So now we are assuming an assigner is right all the time? I agree and know what you are saying, but it should also be said that even though the boss is always right, the boss isn't always right! 😀
Jurassic Referee Originally posted by tomegun Originally posted by Jurassic Referee Straight judgement call. The guys will find out whether they got it right or not from their league evaluator after he looks at the films. Anything until then is just conjecture. So now we are assuming an assigner is right all the time? I agree and know what you are saying, but it should also be said that even though the boss is always right, the boss isn't always right! 😀 Well, Burr and Gray might have the cred to argue that one with their assignor/evaluator. It might not be a good idea for a whole buncha other officials though- especially the newer ones. 😀
walter In a lot of cases, especially for us newer guys trying to break in, if the assignor/supervisor says this is how it is, then that is how it is (if we want to keep working for him). Fair, maybe not. However, it is true in a lot of cases.
Nevadaref Originally posted by ChuckElias Originally posted by JRutledge Originally posted by tomegun But did the ACT of shooting start before the whistle? That should not be a factor. The play is usually dead before the whistle is blown. So if the officials feel the foul happen first, no shot. The whistle should not be a factor in their decision. That's a fair point. So let's change the question. Did the ACT of shooting start before the foul? I based my original post upon my judgment of the start of the pulling action for the foul, not when the whistle came. To me the beginning of the foul happened prior to the act of shooting.