Okay, coach, let me understand what you're saying here. Your (7/8 grade) team just lost in straight sets, because they couldn't serve, pass, set, spike or even play their own positions. You yelled at them until you got frustrated and then you pouted on the bench for the rest of the match. When the offer was made to play 2nd string for an off-the-record third game, you grudgingly agreed and walked away, to berate your crying players some more.

And now you're upset with me because we missed a single point 15 minutes ago, and you think the opponent's server was out of order in this non-counting, no-score, no-book game?

Remind me why I should be civil to you? Why would I ever want to send my child to your Christian school? Sheez...

Isn't there a volleyball forum? :rolleyes:

Z

Actually, you see this kind of think in lower levels all the time, not just in volleyball.

Just last week in an 8th grade girls basketball game, the opposing team's coach was verbally expressing his perceived lack of calls.

His team won by 28 points.

Go figure... :D

And incidentally, our B team beat his by 4, and he made a comment after the game that "they were going to run for this". *rolls eyes*

At this level, you're happy when they remember which basket is theirs to shoot into ;)


[Edited by Stat-Man on Oct 24th, 2005 at 10:56 PM]

Considering all the off-topic crap we all have to read on this board, this post is a refreshing change.

Keep up the good work Juulie.

Peace

For the last couple of years I have worked the Chicago Middle School Catholic League Football League. There was this one team that had coaches that were saying all kinds of harsh things to their kids. Every play the coaches were yelling at their kids as if these were men. They never cursed, but you would have thought these kids were in the pros by the way the coaches talked to them. These coaches were telling the kids to "Get their head out of their behinds." It is just sad how these adults talk to these kids and all the other adults stand by and do nothing.

Then it was ironic I had this team this Sunday (once again :rolleyes:) and this team was visiting another team. The announcer was having fun and making comments that were encouraging the home team. The announcer never had a bad thing to say about the opponent or did anything I would have thought was unsportsmanlike. These windbag coaches complained that the announcer's actions were unsportsmanlike. While in my mind I was thinking what the coaches were much harsher than what any announcer said. They wonder why experienced officials stay away from this crap.

Peace

Aha! Another multi-sport official! Juulie, Please go to the volleyball forum. I just made a comment on a previous thread about an hour ago. Methinks you may have comments of your own.
Jack

So, Juulie, were you an official or a spectator? I've seen what you describe in basketball and soccer many times -- much more than in VB, but it does happen there, too. And doesn't it make for such a good witness to non-believers!

Shut up.

:D

I agree there are some lousy attitudes out there. Unfortunately, it's not just at the lower levels. We just have to remember we're above it, and try to project the best attitude so it's obvious to others who the "jerk" really is. In the meantime, this place is always available for venting.

Oh, yea - chocolate really does help...

Hey TravelinMan, this dinosaur just posted a reply to MC a few minutes ago, too!

Read your post. Well said. Our points are irefutable. My feeling is if you can officiate Bball well, you can offciate ANY sport, especially VB as it requires many of the same skills.

Officiating volleyball = larceny

We HAVE to read all the posts???

Sorry, I do not see that in my contract...

We HAVE to read the whole contract???

That's why I'm seriously considering taking it up. I'm tired of going to my ATM for quick cash. :)

I've been saying for a couple years that I'm going to look into it. I think I'll sign up for this spring.

So, Juulie, if this was a public school you would be OK with the way this coach acted, but no way would you send your kids to a Christian school whose coach acts like this?? Gotta say that sounds like a bit of a double standard...

So Juulie, how long have you been a dinosaur, anyway? And how can you not eat a whole candy bar. For me a regular bar was two bites and king size was only three? Maybe I know why I lost about 30 pounds when I quit eating sweets.

Do not kill the messenger.
 

I am going to assume that a public school there is not choice if you attend or not if you attend a public school. I private school you have a choice.

Peace

No, larceny is illegal. And basketball pays better.

In Georgia, unlike in NC (I lived in Greensboro for 4 years), we have only 1 VB offical for the match. With net fouls, back row attacks, illegal hits, line violations, illegal blocks... that's alot to see and officate. You'd have your hands full.

And ...like the college officials say - "volleyball is easy to officiate, but difficult to officate WELL".

Bktballref - my advice - stick to basketball.

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Double standard? yea, I guess so. I do expect better behavior from Christians. And I expect adults involved in a Christian school to demonstrate good teaching skills, and healthy leadership. And when they don't, I'm disappointed, even upset.

It's not okay in a public school, but in that case, I don't expect as much.

And I'm always surprised that parents allow their children to be subjected to the kind of stuff this coach was doing, whether the school is private or public.

It is not a double standard to expect more from a school that has a "special" mission that a public school does not have. If I can be expelled from a school for committing a sin against God and if I were to do similar things at a public school and not even suspended, that is not the same to me.

Peace

Aren't all sins against God?

Mr. Annoying Theology Guy

If I did not make that statement, then someone would claim or say, "My religion says......." Why bother. ;)

I guess you have nothing else to worry about.

Peace

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I would hope that we would expect a certain standard of behavior from coaches regardless of where they coach...if the behavior is unaccaptable, then it's unacceptable - whether it's a Christian school, public school, alternative school, etc., etc...maybe I just have a different perspective as a teacher in a "public" school and a football coach at a "Christian" school. I'm tired of hearing comments from officials like "Hey, are you guys gonna want to hold a prayer meeting or anything?" before the start of a game...or the best one from last Friday, when one of our players is down on the field and we ask the official if we can go out to him and his response was "Go ahead. Go lay hands on him and see if you can heal him." Followed by his laughter...

So I guess maybe I'm just looking for officials who treat all coaches and players the same...who have the same amount of disgust for bad behavior whatever the school is.

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I do have the same level of disgust for certain behavior, regardless of the school. I still don't expect it at the ms level of a Christian school. I just don't understand how parents can think that's okay.

As for the ref who thought you should lay on hands, I hope you reported him. Talk about taunting!

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I have a friend who teaches at a private Christian School and he tells me that there are two main groups of kids at his school.

1) Christians.

2) Kids who got in too much trouble at their first school and are now being sent to Christian School by their parents in hopes of saving them.

He said that the mix makes it end up being about the same environment that you'd find at any public school.

Z

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I guess my point is that we shouldn't expect it at the MS level, period...

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My naive idealism has been very slow to die. Perhaps this is the final nail in the coffin.

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Don't get me wrong here...I personally (as a Christian dad and a coach) hold my sons and athletes and myself to a vey high standard. I think you know that from being around me, Juulie... But when I officiate, I hold everyone to the same standard regardless of what school they coach/play for... that's all I'm trying to say. The fact that it's a "Christian" school does not change the fact that the people involved are still imperfect, fallible humans...

Don't do it if your just looking for "easy money".

The game is easy to officiate from a physical perspective, you don't hardly have to move. However, the mental side and concentration required is significant. It took me a good three seasons to get comfortable officiating a VB match.

Just like any other sport, it does get easier as you gain more experience, but good officials keep working to get better.

Rosa Parks was Christian.

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I hope not. There's a higher road. Too many people just don't know that or know it and choose not to take it.

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My idealism for myself isn't what I was talking about. That's a whole different subject. I'm talking about assuming the best about people, and believing it against all evidence. By 50 (not very far away), I think it'll be just about gone.