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fmkjrunc Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:14pm

is the clock operator allowed to tell the officials that a team has 6 players on the court?

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:21pm

Sure, why not? Hell, I've even had opposing coaches call that to my attention before.

Jurassic Referee Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:23pm

Quote:

Originally posted by fmkjrunc
is the clock operator allowed to tell the officials that a team has 6 players on the court?
As long as they'll tell us when the <b>home</b> team has 6 on the court too. :D

Nevadaref Wed Oct 19, 2005 07:01am

2-1-2 makes it clear that the scorer and timer are to assist the referee and umpire(s).

". . . The game officials shall be a referee and an umpire or a referee and two umpires who shall be assisted by an official timer and scorer."


They are part of the officials crew and according to 2-11-2 have a duty to inform them of such things.

". . . Notify the nearer official when there is an infraction of the rules pertaining to submission of the roster, substitutions or numbers of players."


Pretty black and white, if you ask me.

PS Technically, this is a duty of the scorer not the timer, even though you inquired about the "clock operator."

Jurassic Referee Wed Oct 19, 2005 07:24am

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Originally posted by Nevadaref


". . . Notify the nearer official when there is an infraction of the rules pertaining to submission of the roster, substitutions or numbers of players."


Pretty black and white, if you ask me.


Not really. The "numbers" referred to above is generally recognized as referring to the numbers on the uniforms, as in 2-11-1, not how many players are on the court.

You're reaching on that one, Nevada.

Nevadaref Wed Oct 19, 2005 07:50am

Naturally, you're right about that. When I read those words though, I just wasn't thinking that way. I was still focused on his question about the number of players on the court.

I will, however, still stick by the first part of my answer, that the table officials are officials and there to assist the crew.

Mark Dexter Wed Oct 19, 2005 09:20pm

I agree with Jurassic - numbers mean numbers listed in the scorebook.

However, I've given signals to refs before that they have 6 on the court (before the ball becomes live after a substitution) and if I'm reffing and the scorer/timer says something to me (discreetly and politely), I'll take a quick look.

rainmaker Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:54pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
I agree with Jurassic - numbers mean numbers listed in the scorebook.

However, I've given signals to refs before that they have 6 on the court (before the ball becomes live after a substitution) and if I'm reffing and the scorer/timer says something to me (discreetly and politely), I'll take a quick look.

So Mark, where have you been? Are you tabling this season? Gonna be around a little more?

fmkjrunc Thu Oct 20, 2005 07:42am

thanks for all the replys, in the game in question, the clock operator buzzed the horn and signaled the ref 6 players on the court, is that truely right to do?

Nevadaref Fri Oct 21, 2005 03:45am

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
I agree with Jurassic - numbers mean numbers listed in the scorebook.

There is a case to made that this applies to the numbers on the shirts as well.

Especially, if it is double zero! :)

Nevadaref Fri Oct 21, 2005 03:47am

Quote:

Originally posted by fmkjrunc
thanks for all the replys, in the game in question, the clock operator buzzed the horn and signaled the ref 6 players on the court, is that truely right to do?
I think so.


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