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Old Wed Oct 12, 2005, 06:10pm
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I know we have discussed this before, but I was thinking about it and thought I'd throw it out there.

We hear terms like book ref, or great game manager, etc, but what percentages do you all think makes up a quality official using...

Rules knowledge: Pretty self explanatory.

Communication: This would include mechanics, signals, interaction and presence.

Judgment: This would include philosophies, common sense, and rule interpretation/application.

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Old Wed Oct 12, 2005, 06:45pm
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The make up of a good official.....hmmmmmm.

I believe Padgett uses Revlon!

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Old Wed Oct 12, 2005, 06:53pm
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The make up of a good official.....hmmmmmm.

I believe Padgett uses Revlon!

Sorry but you knew that was coming!
Actually, I believe he's a Maybelline man.
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Old Wed Oct 12, 2005, 07:00pm
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As to the three categories mentioned in the original post - I think each one makes up about 50% of the total.

Oh yeah - you also need a good understanding of basic math principles. That's the other 50%.
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Old Wed Oct 12, 2005, 08:35pm
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BZ forgot "presence".......
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Old Wed Oct 12, 2005, 08:53pm
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Uh-oh.....

BZ forgot "presence".......
C'mon, it's not even Thanksgiving yet, I aint worrying about presents for another 2 months.
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Old Wed Oct 12, 2005, 11:49pm
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The make up of a good official.....hmmmmmm.

I believe Padgett uses Revlon!

Sorry but you knew that was coming!
Actually, I believe he's a Maybelline man.
The title of the thread refers to a GOOD official...

I use Estee Lauder. Thanks for asking.
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Old Thu Oct 13, 2005, 01:07am
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The make up of a good official.....hmmmmmm.

I believe Padgett uses Revlon!

Sorry but you knew that was coming!
Actually, I believe he's a Maybelline man.
The title of the thread refers to a GOOD official...

I use Estee Lauder. Thanks for asking.
Me too.
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Old Thu Oct 13, 2005, 01:12am
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Uh-oh.....

BZ forgot "presence".......
Actually, I didn't.

Communication: This would include mechanics, signals, interaction and presence.
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Old Thu Oct 13, 2005, 01:26am
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Uh-oh.....

BZ forgot "presence".......
Actually, I didn't.

Communication: This would include mechanics, signals, interaction and presence.
Actually I missed that.

I shall now hang my head in abject shame and exit the premises weeping.
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Old Thu Oct 13, 2005, 02:16am
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Old Thu Oct 13, 2005, 06:31am
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good official:

On time, 20 minutes before is minimum, I often arrive before the teams, all to make myself familiar with the court, look at lines, team areas, all kinds of stuff.

Work togheter in the theam: you are two or three officials in a team, talk yourselfs togheter, make sure you can work togheter, and never forget the rest of the folks, ask somebody to pint out the arranger (the one repsonseble for the court) and talk to him about htings you need moved (things to close for the court, audince on the wrong place) and make sure the one who keeps score knows what he's doing.

Knwo the teams: lay the bar after the teams, in a youth match don't blow it to pieces, make sure you know were the teams are in their development and use the wistle accordingly.

Know the rules: never ever show the teams or audince you're unsure, and if you don't know, blow the jump ball, I've done this on occasions when I'm unsure, the teams usually both protest, but if you explain that I have a split second to choose, defending foul or offensve travelling, I've been in this situation (my last game acctually) and blew a jump ball. Both protested and then realised that, "gee I'm lucky I didn't make a turnover or foul" and acceppt it, and also, if you are to do this. Be polite but firm, never alter something like this. Don't begin with a jumpball to insted alter it to a travell. even if you might have figured out it should be a traveling call.


This became a long post so I'll make a summary:
know the rules, court, teams, and know the sport, you have nothing to do on the floor if you don't love this game

and above this you must (offcourse) be physicaly fit, we have to many officials here who can't even run *sighs*
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Old Thu Oct 13, 2005, 06:52am
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Know the rules: never ever show the teams or audince you're unsure, and if you don't know, blow the jump ball, I've done this on occasions when I'm unsure, the teams usually both protest, but if you explain that I have a split second to choose, defending foul or offensve travelling, I've been in this situation (my last game acctually) and blew a jump ball. Both protested and then realised that, "gee I'm lucky I didn't make a turnover or foul" and acceppt it, and also, if you are to do this. Be polite but firm, never alter something like this. Don't begin with a jumpball to insted alter it to a travell. even if you might have figured out it should be a traveling call.


This became a long post so I'll make a summary:
know the rules, ....

If I'm reading you right, you're saying "know the rules" and then deliberately misapply them.

Gotta be the worst advice for an official in any sport that I've read in a long while.

Jmo, cv, but if you aren't sure of a call, the best thing to do is NOT make a call. And deliberately making a wrong call with the intent of keeping both teams happy instead of getting the call right isn't really the epitome of good officiating.

You may want to re-think your philosophy. It's completely wrong. Terrible advice.
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Old Thu Oct 13, 2005, 07:07am
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hm, time for a debate again :P alright, I might have misforumlated myself. we'll see if this is more to your likening, I'm taking a girls game, one team is up big and my partner is a lazy older man who doesn't run a step, one team (home, wich trails) goes off for fast break with one girl at the side, I follows and sees that the defender is sticking in her arm in what is a light foul, this foul how ever causes the offensive player to fumble and commit a dribble error/travelling (hard to say but I see definetly that it's not legal) now my point is:
1. we didn't call much fouls this game, I didn't make that of a good ggame and the R weren't in place to see the fouls, so I didn't think I should call this foul, it was to light, how ever, I can't just leave the play, a travel is a travel, but a travel caused by a foul that is below- shall we call it the "bar" in the game, what do you do? I called the jump ball, nobody complained about it, I even had a coach saying I did a good call, what would you do?

and Jurassic, I don't force people to follow my advice :P especially not the bad ones
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Old Thu Oct 13, 2005, 07:16am
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I know we have discussed this before, but I was thinking about it and thought I'd throw it out there.

We hear terms like book ref, or great game manager, etc, but what percentages do you all think makes up a quality official using...

Rules knowledge: Pretty self explanatory.

Communication: This would include mechanics, signals, interaction and presence.

Judgment: This would include philosophies, common sense, and rule interpretation/application.

In order to be a good ref, you must have good judgement. If you are not making the correct calls, the other two won't help you much. Although it is hard to have good judgement and not know the rules. You may not be an expert on the finer points of the rules, but to have good judgement you will have a basic understanding of the rules.

To be a great ref, you need all three.

Just my opinion.
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