Almost a held ball, or almost a travel?

[mick]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Not really, Mick. As I said originally, without seeing the actual play, it sounds to me that if the ball didn't come free by "wrenching" it, then the two players had the ball so tightly that sole possession couldn't be gained without undue force. That's pretty much the definition of a held ball.

The feet moved at the wrenching. Thus the *held ball* determination is made after the fact that one of the players had the moving feet.

[Note: I saw this play called as a *travel* in a JV game last night, and I thought it was an interesting case. Like I said, the easy call is *Jump* The harder call is the player (jointly] controlling the ball and violating the *limits on foot movements*.]
mick