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Hey, guys and gals, I learned about a new rule that apparently is in the process of being put into effect. This nice coach told me about it. The exact wording is "If the defender's feet are off the floor, it's a forced out." The case book on this is that the coach's player was dribbling along the baseline and stepped out of bounds. I called her on it and that's when he told me about it.
He also told me some things I didn't know about my grandmother, my religion and my ophthalmologist. I was so glad to learn all this new information, that I thanked him politely, as he was leaving! 
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Sun Apr 22, 2001, 07:41am
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I'm not sure what you just said... maybe in this application. A1 dribbling next to sideline and B1 lightly bumps A1 with similar contact not being called as a foul the whole game, but forcing A1 out of bounds. Do we call Actually, I would welcome such a rule. mick
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Sun Apr 22, 2001, 04:57pm
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Mick --
There was very light contact, if any. She went out of bounds because she wasn't paying close enugh attention. The defender did force her out, but it was a legal "force". I'm not sure exactly what the coach thought, maybe he thought the contact was enough for a foul. He certainly didn't express himself very well! I just thought the wording was hilarious -- complete nonsense!
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Sun Apr 22, 2001, 05:34pm
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Mick,
When you miss someone's sarcasm, that person has truly become a master! Congrats Juulie and welcome to the club!  TH
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Sun Apr 22, 2001, 06:44pm
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I hear ya.
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depicting his intelligence, he is probably an XFL fan, too. mick
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Sun Apr 22, 2001, 08:24pm
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Hey, what's wrong with the XFL?!!?!? ;-)
BTW, the coach is right. You know - the secret summer meetings where all of the coaches in the world come together and decide which rules won't be enforced the next season! Oops, guess it's not a secret anymore. (I'd best go join the Witness Protection Program.)
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Sun Apr 22, 2001, 09:24pm
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Not to make light of this....
This is National Crime Victims Rights Week (April 22-28)Could it also be construed as an "Coach Enlightenment Week?"
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Mon Apr 23, 2001, 02:00am
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Actually, Juulie - the NBA used to have a "force out" rule. If a player was near the sideline with the ball, and a defender pushed him OOB, but in the opinion of the ref there was not enough contact for a foul, the ref could call a "force out" and give the ball back to the dribbler for a throw-in.
However, a few years ago, they finally got wise and realized that if there was not enough contact for a foul, then the player went OOB due to normal contact and it was a violation. Conversly, if there was enough contact for a foul, then it was a foul. In other words, contact either has to be a foul or a no-call - DUH! Bringing this rule back at the HS level would be a disaster.
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Mon Apr 23, 2001, 08:35am
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Mon Apr 23, 2001, 10:17am
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I also hate the idea of a "force out". My player goes down the sideline and gets a turnover now he comes whining to me about being forced out. I tell him to stay away from the sideline, that is where the defense wants to set up traps. Take your seat and think about what you did wrong.
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Mon Apr 23, 2001, 10:35am
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Sounds good to me. mick
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Wed Apr 25, 2001, 11:26am
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Dick DiVencio has a great book out called Stuff Every Player Should Know About Basketball. It is a series of unconnected thoughts (over 200 I believe) that intend to teach players subtle aspects of the game that they should know to be better players. One deals with establishing boundaries. He suggests that a player's lane should be 1 ft wider than the real lane, the player's sideline three feet in from the actual sideline. The reason for the first is to avoid a ref mistaking you for being in the lane for 3 secs because the player is close, or the player accidentally standing on rather than next to the lane line. The reason for the latter is to avoid being forced out by another player. I teach all of my ball handlers this concept so they don't whine about another player pushing them out of bounds. If you are three feet inside the line and get pushed out, that's a foul in almost any league. If you get bumped when you are right next to the line, almost always OOB.
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Wed Apr 25, 2001, 12:56pm
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This is even by rule. If there is not enough space for the offenive player to get around the defensive player, the offensive player bears greater responsibility for the contact. Most officials I know interpret this to mean OOB rather than a PC foul (unless the contact is severe). Let me know if I have mistated anything. (Like I should have any doubt about being corrected if I'm wrong)
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Wed Apr 25, 2001, 02:04pm
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Where it gets tough for me
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When the dribbler gets past the defender, just inside the line, and very little contact puts them outa bounds, is when I hafta ask myself, "What now ?". But from now on, I am gonna call the dribbler out (as I do most of the time), and tell them, and their coaches, that if they have any problem with that then they should go to the clinics of CoachB and Hawks Coach. That should take care of any problem. mick
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