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aussie_ref Mon Aug 08, 2005 04:44am

Anybody got some useful phrases for me to use while refereeing this might sound like a stupid thread but i'd like to hear what other referees say,
Eg
In and out - Trying to get player to exit the key
Keep it clean - can be used for many situations such as screening, player on the floor.
Stay, walk away, kept out, back off - Stopping a fight
I'll call the fouls you worry about the game - When a players questioning about you calling fouls.

ETC ETC ETC

tomegun Mon Aug 08, 2005 07:39am

For the most part you should find language and sayings that fit your personality.

Ultimately, there will come a time when all you should be saying is "tweet!"

mick Mon Aug 08, 2005 07:50am

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Originally posted by tomegun
For the most part you should find language and sayings that fit your personality.

Ultimately, there will come a time when all you should be saying is "tweet!"

Good call, Tom.

South GA BBall Ref Mon Aug 08, 2005 08:18am

Never used it , but here's one: "Shut Up, Play Ball, & Let The Ref's Make The Calls"

Thought I'd add a lil humor.

lrpalmer3 Mon Aug 08, 2005 08:35am

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Originally posted by tomegun
For the most part you should find language and sayings that fit your personality.

Ultimately, there will come a time when all you should be saying is "tweet!"

I thought that some supervisor's like for you to talk players out of fouls and violations. Nobody wants to interrupt the game with a 3-second violation.

Jurassic Referee Mon Aug 08, 2005 08:39am

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Originally posted by South GA BBall Ref
Never used it , but here's one: "<font color = red>Shut Up</font>, Play Ball, & Let The Ref's Make The Calls"

Thought I'd add a lil humor.

Glad you're only kidding.

Saying "shut up" to <b>anybody</b> is just asking for trouble.

tomegun Mon Aug 08, 2005 08:57am

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Originally posted by lrpalmer3
Quote:

Originally posted by tomegun
For the most part you should find language and sayings that fit your personality.

Ultimately, there will come a time when all you should be saying is "tweet!"

I thought that some supervisor's like for you to talk players out of fouls and violations. Nobody wants to interrupt the game with a 3-second violation.

OK, substitute "ultimately" with "eventually." You can't talk all game.

ChrisSportsFan Mon Aug 08, 2005 09:32am

To a coach who's not very happy about a call: "What did you see coach"? You can then respond with "I didn't see it that way" or "I'll work harder". (can't say that more than once)

To players wrestling on the floor for a loose ball and now you have a held ball: "easy up, let it go, I'm here"

To your partners when a player is complaining about calls: "#31 (#31 can also hear this) has been complaining about calls and I told him I'd watch, but he won't let it go so if he complains again, we gotta git-em".

To an assistant coach who wants a call: " "

To you partners just before tip: "Let's work hard and have some fun".


johnny1784 Mon Aug 08, 2005 09:41am

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Originally posted by aussie_ref
Anybody got some useful phrases for me to use while refereeing this might sound like a stupid thread but i'd like to hear what other referees say,
Eg
In and out - Trying to get player to exit the key
Keep it clean - can be used for many situations such as screening, player on the floor.
Stay, walk away, kept out, back off - Stopping a fight
I'll call the fouls you worry about the game - When a players questioning about you calling fouls.

ETC ETC ETC

Comment: "That was a foul!"
Short reply: "That was not a bird." or "Why did the chicken cross the basketball court?" {answer: he/she heard the referees calling fowls}

Comment: "Did you see that?"
Short reply: "Sorry, I wasn't looking over there, I had off-ball."

Situation: Roughness in the post or rough play
Short reply: "keep your hands off" or "Captains, control your team." or "let's play without the rough contact."

Situation: In the key too long
Short reply: "Please get out of the key."

Most of all use respectful short replies that resemble who you are professionally.





johnny1784 Mon Aug 08, 2005 09:54am

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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan



To an assistant coach who wants a call: " "



Yep, you can choose to not reply and say nothing...

Or "assistant coach, please coach your players" or "coach, what is your number and I will call you"

rainmaker Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:48am

Here's what works for me.

To the players:

"Hands!"
"Clear the key!"
"We'll watch for it"
"Tweet!!"

To the coaches:

"She didn't have legal guarding position"
"Thank you!"
"We're watching"
"Coach, your assistant needs to stay quiet and on the bench"
"Remember the box"


Absolutely dry. No sarcasm or irony at all. None. It always comes back to bite the butt later.

Jurassic Referee Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:49am

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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
To a coach who's not very happy about a call: "What did you see coach"? You can then respond with "I didn't see it that way" or <font color = red>"I'll work harder"</font>. (can't say that more than once)


Personally, I'd keep away from that one. It's kinda intimating to the coach that you <b>haven't</b> been working "hard" so far in that game.

ChuckElias Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:07am

For guard play, I say "No hands" or "Hands off".
For post play, I say, "Straight up", "Get the arm off" or "Get the leg out".
To clear the lane, I say, "Clear!" or "Get out".

My response to an assistant coach is always made to the head coach. "Coach, your assistant is about to lose you the coaching box."

ChrisSportsFan Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:26pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
To a coach who's not very happy about a call: "What did you see coach"? You can then respond with "I didn't see it that way" or <font color = red>"I'll work harder"</font>. (can't say that more than once)


Personally, I'd keep away from that one. It's kinda intimating to the coach that you <b>haven't</b> been working "hard" so far in that game.

I hear what you're saying but I'm already working hard and the coach knows it. He's just fighting or begging for a call. For some guys, maybe it would be better to say "I'll watch".

JugglingReferee Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:35pm

"Stay legal."

For those lurking, notice that of all the suggestions, the official never centered out the player (s)he is talking to.

The official never says, "#32, get out of the key," or "#5, hands off the dribbler."

Having said that I have used a number specifically, but only in the rarest of times.

And when addressing during FTs, I also never use numbers. I address both teams and let them figure out who I am talking to. Usually the guilty party is aware of what he is doing. The smart players will come up to you in person and ask what is it that they're doing wrong.

Dan_ref Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:45pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by South GA BBall Ref
Never used it , but here's one: "<font color = red>Shut Up</font>, Play Ball, & Let The Ref's Make The Calls"

Thought I'd add a lil humor.

Glad you're only kidding.

Saying "shut up" to <b>anybody</b> is just asking for trouble.

Shut up.

Jurassic Referee Mon Aug 08, 2005 02:13pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Saying "shut up" to <b>anybody</b> is just asking for trouble. [/B]
Shut up. [/B][/QUOTE]I know where you live.

I also know how you got those stains on your underwear.

Be afraid.

Be very, very afraid.

Dan_ref Mon Aug 08, 2005 02:27pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Saying "shut up" to <b>anybody</b> is just asking for trouble.
Shut up. [/B]
I know where you live.

I also know how you got those stains on your underwear.

Be afraid.

Be very, very afraid. [/B][/QUOTE]

An old man goes to see his doctor for a regular check up and his wife goes along with him. The doctor comes into the examination room and after a few minutes tells the old man he'll need a stool sample, a blood sample and a urine sample. The old man, being deaf as a tree stump, looks up and says "WHA???!!". Again, the doctor requests a stool sample, a blood sample and a urine sample. The old man looks at his wife and shouts "WHAT DID HE SAY???!!". His wife yells back at the old man "HE NEEDS YOUR UNDERWEAR!!".


Bad Zebra Mon Aug 08, 2005 02:28pm

When someone is camping in the paint...I'll just start counting out loud..."One!"..."Two!"....they're almost always gone by three and they usually stay out.

Jurassic Referee Mon Aug 08, 2005 02:37pm

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Originally posted by Bad Zebra
When someone is camping in the paint...I'll just start counting out loud..."One!"..."Two!"....they're almost always gone by three and they usually stay out.
What do you do if you get to "three" and they're still in there?

Bad Zebra Mon Aug 08, 2005 02:40pm

"TWEEEET!"

ChuckElias Mon Aug 08, 2005 03:01pm

Doesn't that make for a lot of tweeting?

Bad Zebra Mon Aug 08, 2005 03:06pm

Not usually...it lets everyone hovering in the area know that someone is watching...and they generally clean it up the first time you count...or the first time ya tweet.

mick Mon Aug 08, 2005 03:18pm

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Originally posted by Bad Zebra
Not usually...it lets everyone hovering in the area know that someone is watching...and they generally clean it up the first time you count...or the first time ya tweet.
I agree, Bad Zebra.
First time often works well enough ... until the subs come in. And then, three seconds is seldom called regardless.
mick

tomegun Mon Aug 08, 2005 03:20pm

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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
To a coach who's not very happy about a call: "What did you see coach"? You can then respond with "I didn't see it that way" or "I'll work harder". (can't say that more than once)


What question does the coach normally ask in this situation? We cannot respond to every comment. Also, that is too much back and forth for me.

Jurassic Referee Mon Aug 08, 2005 03:30pm

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Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by Bad Zebra
Not usually...it lets everyone hovering in the area know that someone is watching...and they generally clean it up the first time you count...or the first time ya tweet.
I agree, Bad Zebra.
First time often works well enough ... until the subs come in. And then, three seconds is seldom called regardless.

Does that mean you stop counting "1,2,3" when the subs come in?

mick Mon Aug 08, 2005 04:05pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by Bad Zebra
Not usually...it lets everyone hovering in the area know that someone is watching...and they generally clean it up the first time you count...or the first time ya tweet.
I agree, Bad Zebra.
First time often works well enough ... until the subs come in. And then, three seconds is seldom called regardless.

Does that mean you stop counting "1,2,3" when the subs come in?

Go away while I hand in my underwear.

Jurassic Referee Mon Aug 08, 2005 05:18pm

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Originally posted by mick
[/B]
Go away while I hand in my underwear. [/B][/QUOTE]LOL! :D

johnny1784 Mon Aug 08, 2005 08:37pm

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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by Bad Zebra
Not usually...it lets everyone hovering in the area know that someone is watching...and they generally clean it up the first time you count...or the first time ya tweet.
I agree, Bad Zebra.
First time often works well enough ... until the subs come in. And then, three seconds is seldom called regardless.

Does that mean you stop counting "1,2,3" when the subs come in?

Go away while I hand in my underwear.

Dirty or clean?
:D

Mregor Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:08pm

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Originally posted by johnny1784
Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan



To an assistant coach who wants a call: " "



Yep, you can choose to not reply and say nothing...

Or "assistant coach, please coach your players" or "coach, what is your number and I will call you"

When the assistant in chirping, I'll say to the head coach, "Coach, your assistant is about to buy you a seat." That has always stopped it.

I've never personally used it but I still find it hilarious: "I'll take that from Batman, but I'm sure not taking it from Robin. Sit down and be quiet!"

Mregor

rainmaker Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:53pm

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Originally posted by Mregor
I've never personally used it but I still find it hilarious: "I'll take that from Batman, but I'm sure not taking it from Robin. Sit down and be quiet!"

The proper use for comments like this are to think them in your head, and then use the inner chuckle to keep your perspective on the game. I find that a very helpful tool!

johnny1784 Tue Aug 09, 2005 07:45am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by Bad Zebra
When someone is camping in the paint...I'll just start counting out loud..."One!"..."Two!"....they're almost always gone by three and they usually stay out.
What do you do if you get to "three" and they're still in there?

LOL!

Do you continue to count to 4 and 5 and beyond?

johnny1784 Tue Aug 09, 2005 08:19am

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Originally posted by Mregor
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Originally posted by johnny1784
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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan



To an assistant coach who wants a call: " "



Yep, you can choose to not reply and say nothing...

Or "assistant coach, please coach your players" or "coach, what is your number and I will call you"

When the assistant in chirping, I'll say to the head coach, "Coach, your assistant is about to buy you a seat." That has always stopped it.

I've never personally used it but I still find it hilarious: "I'll take that from Batman, but I'm sure not taking it from Robin. Sit down and be quiet!"

Mregor

Funny, yet I would stop speaking after the word Robin.

I was told over and over again, try not to be vindictive and or make disrespectful comments such as; "sit down and shut up", when replying to coaches.

Since a single or double pre-game conference should have addressed any warnings, an assistant coach berating an official would land him/her a technical and the head coach receives an indirect.

johnny1784 Tue Aug 09, 2005 08:29am

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Originally posted by tomegun
Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
To a coach who's not very happy about a call: "What did you see coach"? You can then respond with "I didn't see it that way" or "I'll work harder". (can't say that more than once)


What question does the coach normally ask in this situation? We cannot respond to every comment. Also, that is too much back and forth for me.


The head coach will normally ask a zillion questions or make statements during live ball or dead ball action.

I do not think ChrisSportsFan was implying that an official should reply back and forth to a coach with a lengthy dialogue.

ChrisSportsFan Tue Aug 09, 2005 08:53am

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Originally posted by johnny1784
Quote:

Originally posted by tomegun
Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
To a coach who's not very happy about a call: "What did you see coach"? You can then respond with "I didn't see it that way" or "I'll work harder". (can't say that more than once)


What question does the coach normally ask in this situation? We cannot respond to every comment. Also, that is too much back and forth for me.


The head coach will normally ask a zillion questions or make statements during live ball or dead ball action.

I do not think ChrisSportsFan was implying that an official should reply back and forth to a coach with a lengthy dialogue.

Your thinking is correct.

theboys Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:15pm

Something I hear a lot, and works well: "That's enough, coach."

drothamel Tue Aug 09, 2005 03:34pm

Some of the best advice I have gotten about addressing coach comments/questions I heard from former NBA ref Nolan Fine. He suggested addressing the coaches with questions. Things like, "How did you see it, coach?" One of the best I have used is "What do you mean by that?" when a coach is commenting about an uneven foul count. The question usually forces a coach to stop for a second and allows you the chance to respond differently. A coaches first comment or question can be very confrontational in tone, if you can get him or her to rephrase, it can lead to a better dialogue. Plus, responding with a question usually buys you some time. I have found that a good answer is usually "I understand." or, "I see where you are coming from." It acknowledges the concern, but doesn't commit to anything.

Bottom line-- most coaches want, and deserve, some type of response, since no one wants to be ignored. The trick is in knowing the appropriate response.

Ref Daddy Tue Aug 09, 2005 08:18pm


3 Second : "Outtas the lane", "Outta the Lane"
Close guarding: "Hands, Hands...Watch the Hands"
Rough Play: 'Easy, Easy"...."Knock it off"
Back at Coach: "Got it , Thank you"

All short and sweet

Snake~eyes Tue Aug 09, 2005 09:42pm

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Originally posted by drothamel
Some of the best advice I have gotten about addressing coach comments/questions I heard from former NBA ref Nolan Fine. He suggested addressing the coaches with questions. Things like, "How did you see it, coach?" One of the best I have used is "What do you mean by that?" when a coach is commenting about an uneven foul count. The question usually forces a coach to stop for a second and allows you the chance to respond differently. A coaches first comment or question can be very confrontational in tone, if you can get him or her to rephrase, it can lead to a better dialogue. Plus, responding with a question usually buys you some time. I have found that a good answer is usually "I understand." or, "I see where you are coming from." It acknowledges the concern, but doesn't commit to anything.

Bottom line-- most coaches want, and deserve, some type of response, since no one wants to be ignored. The trick is in knowing the appropriate response.

Just curious, what camp did you hear Nolan talk at? I have heard him speak, I understand he speaks at a couple of camps.

johnny1784 Wed Aug 10, 2005 03:46am

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Originally posted by drothamel
Some of the best advice I have gotten about addressing coach comments/questions I heard from former NBA ref Nolan Fine. He suggested addressing the coaches with questions. Things like, "How did you see it, coach?" One of the best I have used is "What do you mean by that?" when a coach is commenting about an uneven foul count. The question usually forces a coach to stop for a second and allows you the chance to respond differently. A coaches first comment or question can be very confrontational in tone, if you can get him or her to rephrase, it can lead to a better dialogue. Plus, responding with a question usually buys you some time. I have found that a good answer is usually "I understand." or, "I see where you are coming from." It acknowledges the concern, but doesn't commit to anything.

Bottom line-- most coaches want, and deserve, some type of response, since no one wants to be ignored. The trick is in knowing the appropriate response.

Very good advice!

drothamel Wed Aug 10, 2005 09:32am

Snake-

I heard Nolan speak at the D3 Supercamp at the University of Richmond. He is from the area, so he is a regular there. He stayed around for a few days, and it was good to be able not only to hear him speak, but to hang out a bit as well.

Snake~eyes Wed Aug 10, 2005 03:03pm

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Originally posted by drothamel
Snake-

I heard Nolan speak at the D3 Supercamp at the University of Richmond. He is from the area, so he is a regular there. He stayed around for a few days, and it was good to be able not only to hear him speak, but to hang out a bit as well.

That's where I had figured you heard him speak, I enjoyed hearing him speak and look forward to talking to him again. I think I will go to D3 next year but we'll see what happens.

SavaahnTy Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:27pm

I didnt read all of the replies....( but I'm being lazy today, forgive me ) so perhaps another has mentioned this....

From my experience, when you are talking to players during the game while the ball is live.....using one word followed with your whistle if needed is a great option.

" Lane " - " hands " - " EASY! " ( post play )

One reason this option works well is you avoid the potential " must whistle " between words :) :)

One of my personal favorites is prior to throw in and things are getting testy......hold onto the ball and look at the players with a smile and a " what the heck are you two doing? " look..... hahha..... but the situation must be appropriate.

my 2 cents

stripes Thu Aug 18, 2005 09:24am

Savaahn,

Hey, its Kelly. Back in Utah and doing well. Hope all is the same for you in Phoenix. Email me and let me know what is up.



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