Sports Illustrated meets Ted Valentine

[Jimgolf]

From Seth Davis column:
" These July events aren't just for coaches and players. Many of the events also simultaneously conduct referee clinics for different leagues. The Peach Jam served as a clinic for the SEC and invited some of its top officials to teach the aspiring zebras the finer points of reffing. I must say it was somewhat comical to see Ted Valentine, a very well-respected ref who has one of the shortest fuses in the sport, yuk it up with many of the coaches with whom he does battle during the course of a season. I had never met Valentine and, after needling me for harshly criticizing him after he ejected Texas coach Rick Barnes in the waning moments of his 2004 Sweet 16 game against Xavier, he told me his biggest complaint is the way the NCAA insists officials enforce the coaches' box guidelines during the tournament much more strictly than they do during the season.

"If a guy is coaching his team and isn't interfering with what I'm doing, I couldn't care less where he stands," Valentine said.
"

[zebraman]

That's interesting. With the way some of his problems with coaches have made for ESPN highlights, I would have throught he'd be one to want more bench decorum all season long.

From what I hear, bench decorum is going to be a big POE this year from the NFHS and also from my particular state (Washington). A lot of high school officials say, "I don't care where the coach is as long as he isn't screaming at me." They are going to really have to work on their bench management skills this year.

Z

[Love this Game]

Originally posted by Jimgolf
From Seth Davis column:
" These July events aren't just for coaches and players. Many of the events also simultaneously conduct referee clinics for different leagues. The Peach Jam served as a clinic for the SEC and invited some of its top officials to teach the aspiring zebras the finer points of reffing. I must say it was somewhat comical to see Ted Valentine, a very well-respected ref who has one of the shortest fuses in the sport, yuk it up with many of the coaches with whom he does battle during the course of a season. I had never met Valentine and, after needling me for harshly criticizing him after he ejected Texas coach Rick Barnes in the waning moments of his 2004 Sweet 16 game against Xavier, he told me his biggest complaint is the way the NCAA insists officials enforce the coaches' box guidelines during the tournament much more strictly than they do during the season.

"If a guy is coaching his team and isn't interfering with what I'm doing, I couldn't care less where he stands," Valentine said.
"

I respect Ted just because he is not afraid to make that big call, or hit a coach with a T no matter what time.

I think that he takes a lot and all we see if the final result of the T. I met him years ago and he is a joy to talk to and he will shoot the breeze with you and anyone for hours.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Love this Game
I met him years ago and he is a joy to talk to and he will shoot the breeze with you and anyone for hours.

Somehow I doubt that applies if your name is "Bobby Knight."

[Love this Game]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

Somehow I doubt that applies if your name is "Bobby Knight."

to be honest Bobby and him dont have a issue, it is just that Bobby tries to get away with things and Ted is not trying to hear it.

I read a article when Bobbie has a lot of respect for Ted and the way he calls the game

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Love this Game

to be honest Bobby and him dont have a issue, it is just that Bobby tries to get away with things and Ted is not trying to hear it.

I read a article when Bobbie has a lot of respect for Ted and the way he calls the game

He just doesn't respect the fact that he does it 5-6 nights a week.

[j51969]

I remember watching that game and thinking Ed Hightower hung him out to dry. I can't remember who the third guy was. But the second T should have come from Hightower. The other two officials clearly distanced themselves from him during the mishap.

[BillyMac]

The reference to "Sports Illustrated" in this thread gives me a good excuse to bring in a real off topic question. I hope Basketball Forum members don't mind:

On page 58 of the March 12, 2007 issue of "Sports Illustrated" is a photograph of a NCAA wrestling official. He's wearing one red wristband, on his left wrist, and one green wristband, on his right wrist. I don't know anything about NFHS, or NCAA wrestling, or how these sports are officiated, but I believe that there must be a reason for these nonmatching wristbands. Maybe some Forum members have a brother-in-law, colleague at work, or a friend who officiates wrestling, who can find out the reason for this "fashion faux-pas"?

My son is a wrestling expert, in college he hosted a call-in talk show about wrestlng, but it was the professional, "entertainment" variety of wrestling. I don't see Hulk Hogan or The Undertaker mentioned in the "Sports Illustrated" article, so I know my son can't help me out with this question.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

On page 58 of the March 12, 2007 issue of "Sports Illustrated" is a photograph of a NCAA wrestling official. He's wearing one red wristband, on his left wrist, and one green wristband, on his right wrist. I don't know anything about NFHS, or NCAA wrestling, or how these sports are officiated, but I believe that there must be a reason for these nonmatching wristbands. Maybe some Forum members have a brother-in-law, colleague at work, or a friend who officiates wrestling, who can find out the reason for this "fashion faux-pas"?

Billy - I believe these are used for scoring. The green hand is used to indicate a point by one of the players and the red hand is used to indicate points for the other player.

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The reference to "Sports Illustrated" in this thread gives me a good excuse to bring in a real off topic question. I hope Basketball Forum members don't mind:

On page 58 of the March 12, 2007 issue of "Sports Illustrated" is a photograph of a NCAA wrestling official. He's wearing one red wristband, on his left wrist, and one green wristband, on his right wrist. I don't know anything about NFHS, or NCAA wrestling, or how these sports are officiated, but I believe that there must be a reason for these nonmatching wristbands. Maybe some Forum members have a brother-in-law, colleague at work, or a friend who officiates wrestling, who can find out the reason for this "fashion faux-pas"?

The bands correspond to the ankle strap that each wrestler wears, red, or green. When someone is awarded points, the referee indicates the number of points on the hand with that corresponding colored wristband.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by j51969

I remember watching that game and thinking Ed Hightower hung him out to dry. I can't remember who the third guy was. But the second T should have come from Hightower. The other two officials clearly distanced themselves from him during the mishap.

Here's an article about it from Ted Valentine's perspective:

http://www.referee.com/sampleArticle...knightext.html

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by j51969

I remember watching that game and thinking Ed Hightower hung him out to dry. I can't remember who the third guy was. But the second T should have come from Hightower. The other two officials clearly distanced themselves from him during the mishap.

You are right and Teddy didn't like it either. It was an issue for quite some time. Actually, I was surprised to see Hightower and Valentine on a Big Ten game earlier this year. I'm not saying this was the first time they worked together since then, but it still surprised me.

[MajorCord]

Originally Posted by tomegun

You are right and Teddy didn't like it either. It was an issue for quite some time. Actually, I was surprised to see Hightower and Valentine on a Big Ten game earlier this year. I'm not saying this was the first time they worked together since then, but it still surprised me.

Interesting article: http://www.referee.com/sampleArticle...knightext.html

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by zebraman
That's interesting. With the way some of his problems with coaches have made for ESPN highlights, I would have throught he'd be one to want more bench decorum all season long.

From what I hear, bench decorum is going to be a big POE this year from the NFHS and also from my particular state (Washington). A lot of high school officials say, "I don't care where the coach is as long as he isn't screaming at me." They are going to really have to work on their bench management skills this year.

Z

I really do not think Teddy's comments apply to NFHS Rules, mechanics or philosophy.

Peace

[whistleone]

It's a shame that Ted's "off season personality", as described in the original post, isn't always evident when I watch him on television.