Ref in PA |
Thu Jul 21, 2005 01:41pm |
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Ref in PA
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
If B1 was lying on the floor, was he making normal offensive or defensive movements? No.
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Agreed.
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
So by sitting on B1, is A1 restricting B1's normal offensive or defensive movements? No.
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I am thinking if anyone is sitting on me, my movement is a little restricted.
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But you just agreed that he wasn't making any movements. If there are no movements, how can those movements be restricted?
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Mayber there is no movement because she can't.
Is getting up an offensive or defensive movement? or neither? Can B1 reach up and make a defensive movement if the arm is pinned beneath A1? If B1 is trying to make any movement under A1, then she is being put at a disadvantage by having A1 sit on her.
I think there are many refs that would not consider the movement of A1 a foul, because it was "accidental". Yet, if B1 is laying on the floor and A1 says to herself "I think I will go over there and sit on B1" I think most of us would 1> wonder why B1 is laying on the floor and 2> call the foul on A1 for sitting on B1. My point is the result of the unintentional sitting and intentional sitting are the same - B1 underneath A1 with B1's movement restricted. If B1 was entitled to that spot to begin with, A1 can't sit on her, even if it was by accident.
No one mentioned the possibility of a foul on A1 until I brought it up. Would I call it? Only if B1 is making attempts to get up and is restricted by A1 sitting on her. Other than that I would treat the movement by A1 as "moving next to" another player and coming in contact with that player. Only when B1 tries to move and can't does the contact become a holding foul. If B1 can readily get free or if it is my judgement she can get free, then the contact is incidental in nature.
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