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Mark Padgett Thu Jul 07, 2005 02:26pm

OK - enough nonsense. Since the board is slow this summer, let's get into some philosophy.

List the three most important attributes you want in a partner. I'll start.

1) good rules knowledge
2) good communication skills
3) keeps importance of game in perspective by demonstrating occasional humor

I'm serious about the last one. There's nothing worse than working with someone who thinks a kids basketball game is the most serious event on the face of the earth.

ChrisSportsFan Thu Jul 07, 2005 02:33pm

1. Good rules knowledge and application.
2. Communicates well (with partners, players and coaches)
3. Works hard.
4. No matter what level the game is, I agree with Mark's #3. You gotta have fun!

M&M Guy Thu Jul 07, 2005 02:44pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
OK - enough nonsense. Since the board is slow this summer, let's get into some philosophy.

List the three most important attributes you want in a partner. I'll start.

1) good rules knowledge
2) good communication skills
3) keeps importance of game in perspective by demonstrating occasional humor

I'm serious about the last one. There's nothing worse than working with someone who thinks a kids basketball game is the most serious event on the face of the earth.

1) I would change that to good game knowledge. It's important to know the rules, but I think it's better to the game overall. Perhaps someone who has been a former player or (gasp!) coach who has a working knowledge of the game can better apply the rules as they are intended.

2) Absolutely. Your partner may make all the right calls, but if they don't know how to communicate them, it will be a long game.

3) Would be nice, but I have known people who aren't good at humor, and when they try to be funny it comes out feeling forced and wrong. I would think it's better to be relaxed and comfortable; not appearing too uptight and nervous. If you have a partner that has a sense of humor, also knowing when to use it can be just as important. Just remember to have fun!

Hartsy Thu Jul 07, 2005 03:16pm

As long as they can call a good game, I can work with almost anyone.

I prefer, however, to work with someone who is willing to discuss things with me before, during, and after the game. Maybe because I am new at this and I need/appreciate the help, or maybe just because it is more enjoyable to work with someone that shows interest in what is going on.

To list three I'd say:

1) Competent
2) Communicative (on the court)
3) Personable (off the court)


Mark Padgett Thu Jul 07, 2005 03:38pm

Quote:

Originally posted by bballrob_returns
One that can throw the ball up straight.
Nah. This happens only once each game. FYI - I don't allow overtimes.

BTW - you're not going to make too many friends here with that tag line.

ChuckElias Thu Jul 07, 2005 03:47pm

I'm kind of surprised that you're bringing this topic up again, Mark. Didn't you just recently tell us what attributes you were looking for in a perfect partner? :confused:

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Jurassic Referee Thu Jul 07, 2005 04:25pm

Quote:

Originally posted by bballrob_returns
One that can throw the ball up straight.
Shortly to be gone again.

zebraman Thu Jul 07, 2005 04:28pm

1) good rules application
2) good hustle and attitude
3) good communication
Z

Mark Padgett Thu Jul 07, 2005 04:54pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I'm kind of surprised that you're bringing this topic up again, Mark. Didn't you just recently tell us what attributes you were looking for in a perfect partner? :confused:

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Love those mechanics.

SMEngmann Thu Jul 07, 2005 05:50pm

1) Professional (shows up on time, knows and uses the proper mechanics and the rules, isn't lazy, trying to improve every game)

2) Supportive

3) Communicative

26 Year Gap Thu Jul 07, 2005 08:42pm

Is fishnets number 4?

truerookie Thu Jul 07, 2005 09:03pm

Since, I am a rookie here is my two euros'

1. Communicates eye contact; ball location; mechanics

2. Loud whistle sometimes my hearing is bad

3. Refreshment after the game Sodas' of course :)

ref18 Thu Jul 07, 2005 09:39pm

1)Decisive
2)Consistant
3)Will whack a coach if they cross the line


And of course you have to have fun :cool:

canuckrefguy Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:07pm

The best partners I've had a chance to work with; some international-level officials, generally had the following attributes:

1. Communication Skills
2. A feel for how to apply the rules
3. Quiet but firm confidence (although occasionally loud)

With one partner in particular, everybody - players, coaches, table personnel, fans - love to see him walk in the gym for their game.

Adam Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:11am

Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by bballrob_returns
One that can throw the ball up straight.
Shortly to be gone again.

D@mn. I'm gone for a short time and I miss more fun.

JRutledge Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:15am

1. Court Presence
2. Appearance
3. People skills

Peace

rainmaker Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:48am


1. Someone who's willing to work with me. Nothing worse than a partner who's "too good" for me, or above me.

2. Solid rules knowledge.

3. Great dead ball officiating.

aussie_ref Fri Jul 08, 2005 05:29am

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I'm kind of surprised that you're bringing this topic up again, Mark. Didn't you just recently tell us what attributes you were looking for in a perfect partner? :confused:

http://www.elyse.ca/Cinema%20Secrets...eree%20394.gif

She can practice blowing my whistle ;)

dblref Fri Jul 08, 2005 05:43am

1. Pleated & beltless pants
2. No patent leather shoes
3. No fishnets
:D

Mark Dexter Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:02pm

1. Communication
1. Communication
1. Communication (with me verbally, with me silently, with the table, with the fans, with the players, with the coaches, you get the point).

4. Someone who "has my back" - not that they have rabbit ears, but that they won't hang me out to dry with a coach, and will T someone up for something against me that I don't see or can't call.
5. Rules knowledge. This probably comes from 4 years of working intramurals - partners had a good feel for the game, but our rules sessions only covered part of the book. I could easily see this changing to decisiveness over the next year or so.

refnrev Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:49pm

1. Good rules knowledge and how and when to apply it.

2. Good court presence and personality.

3. No showboating, grandstanding, or "one-upping" their partners.

Camron Rust Mon Jul 11, 2005 01:54am

Quote:

Originally posted by M&M Guy
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
OK - enough nonsense. Since the board is slow this summer, let's get into some philosophy.

List the three most important attributes you want in a partner. I'll start.

1) good rules knowledge

1) I would change that to good game knowledge. It's important to know the rules, but I think it's better to the game overall. <FONT COLOR=RED>Perhaps someone who has been a former player or (gasp!) coach who has a working knowledge of the game can better apply the rules as they are intended.</FONT>

While this can be the case, it can just as often be a curse. I've seen many former players/coaches that <em>think</em> they know the game call every myth in the book making the game harder for those that really know the game. Some don't ever study the rules. They assume that they don't need to since they were a good player/coach.

M&M Guy Mon Jul 11, 2005 09:01am

Quote:

Originally posted by Camron Rust

While this can be the case, it can just as often be a curse. I've seen many former players/coaches that <em>think</em> they know the game call every myth in the book making the game harder for those that really know the game. Some don't ever study the rules. They assume that they don't need to since they were a good player/coach.

I agree wholeheartedly. I guess I wasn't clear in that you need to also know the rules; it's hard to have one without the other. Just having been a part of the game results in what you mentioned. Just knowing the rules without knowing the game results in an official making 20 3-sec. calls in a game. I've had people ask me to officiate volleyball and soccer, but one of the main reasons I don't is because I don't really know those games. Yes, I can study the rules, and I can go watch several games, but I still would not have that "feel" for the game like I do in basketball and baseball/softball.


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