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rainmaker Mon Jun 27, 2005 01:46pm

Is the NBA floor wider as well as longer, than the college floor? I would think that widening the pro floor would require the players to move more and make it easier to have an exciting, entertaining game.

I'm also wondering if you see any pattern to how the size of the floor affects a game? I mean, do hs boys' play a better game on a bigger floor? Do hs girls? Does it benefit JV players to play on a smaller floor?

This is just an academic question, maybe a little objective discussion?

Hartsy Mon Jun 27, 2005 02:31pm

I have heard that larger courts favor a good transition/fast break team. With that logic small courts might favor good defensive teams.

It sounds reasonable, though many urban myths do too.

blindzebra Mon Jun 27, 2005 02:46pm

Of course a wider floor would change the game.

I've done games at camps where you have had very good teams playing on two across court floors, probably 65 X 47 feet, and it ain't pretty.

Making the NBA court wider would increase spacing, putting an emphasis on moving the ball and cutting.

drothamel Mon Jun 27, 2005 03:54pm

I can speak from some experience here, on both sides of the ball.

My high school alma mater has a very small floor. When I played, we ran an extremely effective full-court press. It was harder to run this press on the bigger floors, especially the college floors of the playoffs. It changes the game for the players.

From an officiating perpsective, I love the bigger floors. Granted, in the summer time, I want the small floors for those 5-6 games in a day, but over all, it is much easier to officiate on the larger floors because the angles are so much better.

rainmaker Mon Jun 27, 2005 04:11pm

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Originally posted by drothamel
From an officiating perpsective, I love the bigger floors. Granted, in the summer time, I want the small floors for those 5-6 games in a day, but over all, it is much easier to officiate on the larger floors because the angles are so much better.
I agree with this. Except that freshmen and sophomore girls teams still tend to bunch up under the basket, especially in a rebounding situation.

ChuckElias Mon Jun 27, 2005 04:26pm

FED: 50 feet, optimal width
NCAA: 50 feet, optimal width
NBA: 50 feet, optimal width.

FED: 84 feet, optimal length
NCAA: 94 feet, optimal length
NBA: 94 feet, optimal length.

rainmaker Mon Jun 27, 2005 04:38pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
FED: 50 feet, optimal width
NCAA: 50 feet, optimal width
NBA: 50 feet, optimal width.

FED: 84 feet, optimal length
NCAA: 94 feet, optimal length
NBA: 94 feet, optimal length.

Thanks, Mr. Fact-Man. Care to express an opinion? What would it do to the NBA game to widen the floor? What about the college game?

ChuckElias Mon Jun 27, 2005 04:47pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Care to express an opinion? What would it do to the NBA game to widen the floor? What about the college game?
I think they ought to do what the Native Americans did when they played the first versions of lacrosse. No OOB at all. That'd open up the offenses. And we wouldn't get yelled at for missing a close OOB call.

M&M Guy Mon Jun 27, 2005 04:52pm

Just the facts, ma'am.

It seems like changing the size (and/or shape) of the lane would affect the game more than the size of the overall floor. Especially for those jr. high girls that tend to bunch up in the lane. I know there's a difference in rink sizes between, I believe, international hockey and the NHL, with the international rink being larger. (Help me out here people from the GWN.) I know it helps open up the game more, and there seems to be more action without all the forechecking seen in the NHL. I'm not sure if basketball is at that level yet, even in the NBA, where changing the size of the whole floor would affect the game that much. I know personally I would be dead set against anything that would force me to run more.

M&M Guy Mon Jun 27, 2005 05:00pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
No OOB at all. That'd open up the offenses. And we wouldn't get yelled at for missing a close OOB call.
Hey, I kinda like that idea. It would put the fans in play, and people diving into the bleachers might be just as much fun as watching America's Funniest Videos.

rainmaker Mon Jun 27, 2005 06:05pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by rainmaker
Care to express an opinion? What would it do to the NBA game to widen the floor? What about the college game?
I think they ought to do what the Native Americans did when they played the first versions of lacrosse. No OOB at all. That'd open up the offenses. And we wouldn't get yelled at for missing a close OOB call.

When I was in college (yea, it was back in the Mesozoic!) women's lacrosse still wasn't using boundary lines. THey played, "To the natural bounds of the field used." our home field had a tree well within bounds, and that was just fine. Iguess they don't use that field any more, but it was certainly interesting back then!

Tim Roden Tue Jun 28, 2005 01:36am

I think a 60 ft width floor would be great in the NBA. Especially since they have the bigger 3 point arc. They can make it a true arc around the floor. Lacrosse on a 3 mile field with no OOB is a great game as well. I still think Soccer should be an indoor sport. The outdoor game has too little scoring.

johnny1784 Tue Jun 28, 2005 04:51am

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Originally posted by Tim Roden
I think a 60 ft width floor would be great in the NBA. Especially since they have the bigger 3 point arc.
Widen the playing area, remove seats and lose revenue.

26 Year Gap Tue Jun 28, 2005 08:51pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by rainmaker
Care to express an opinion? What would it do to the NBA game to widen the floor? What about the college game?
I think they ought to do what the Native Americans did when they played the first versions of lacrosse. No OOB at all. That'd open up the offenses. And we wouldn't get yelled at for missing a close OOB call.

I did one of those streetball games this year.

Nevadaref Wed Jun 29, 2005 06:52am

This could well be one of the best theoretical topics even posted on this forum.

From seeing and working games on both size courts, I have come to the conclusion that the game is vastly different on a 94-foot floor than it is on the 84-foot court.

I don't believe that it is good for HS teams to play on the 84-footer all season long and then have to change to the 94-footer in the playoffs or state title game.

For the record, I do believe that it is a better basketball game on the longer floor, and I enjoy officiating on it much more too.

I'm pressed for time now, but will return at a later time and expound upon this.

rainmaker Wed Jun 29, 2005 09:09am

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Originally posted by Nevadaref
This could well be one of the best theoretical topics even posted on this forum.

I'm pressed for time now, but will return at a later time and expound upon this.

Why thank you, Nevada.

I can hardly wait!

ChuckElias Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:50am

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Originally posted by Nevadaref
From seeing and working games on both size courts, I have come to the conclusion that the game is vastly different on a 94-foot floor than it is on the 84-foot court.
Vastly? I don't really see that. It's only 10 more feet in length. Three more dribbles per fast-break. Not enough to make the players significantly more tired. Not that big a deal IMHO.

I think it would be a much bigger deal to move the NBA-sized players to a smaller court than to move HS-sized players to a bigger court.

Tim Roden Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:17pm

The High school game works on both floors. I don't think that most high school players even know that there is a difference most of the time. They know something is different but they don't know what. A Junior High game or an elementary level game on the big floor is a different story. Many of the elementary games are done on floors even down to 74 feet. So they would know the diffence in a heartbeat. BTW I worked an adult league on a 74 foot floor. A lot of fun. Doing a one man officiating job, the officials I know playing in the games wanted to know why they even bothered to pay me. I never did any work. I just stood at mid court the whole game.

Kelvin green Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:58pm

We play a pro league in the summer here with a lot of big guys. The shorter/narrower courts allows for a super fast transition and the extra ten feet makes a lot of difference when a team goes fast. Its harder for a team to play D. It also compacts the big guys is a more confined space and allows for more banging...

94 ft is a must for the big guys...

refnrev Sat Jul 02, 2005 09:49pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tim Roden
[B]The High school game works on both floors. I don't think that most high school players even know that there is a difference most of the time. They know something is different but they don't know what. A Junior High game or an elementary level game on the big floor is a different story. Many of the elementary games are done on floors even down to 74 feet. So they would know the diffence in a heartbeat.
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There is a Jr. High tourney in town here every fall and they play at the local jr. college. Let me tell you, the younger players are out of gas on that 94' floor by the end of the game, especially the ones whose home gyms are 74'. One very small school has a gym that is so small they have a double mid court line. You can imagine what a shock that floor is for them.

rainmaker Sun Jul 03, 2005 11:22pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by refnrev
Quote:

Originally posted by Tim Roden
The High school game works on both floors. I don't think that most high school players even know that there is a difference most of the time. They know something is different but they don't know what. A Junior High game or an elementary level game on the big floor is a different story. Many of the elementary games are done on floors even down to 74 feet. So they would know the diffence in a heartbeat.
__________________________________________________ _________

There is a Jr. High tourney in town here every fall and they play at the local jr. college. Let me tell you, the younger players are out of gas on that 94' floor by the end of the game, especially the ones whose home gyms are 74'. One very small school has a gym that is so small they have a double mid court line. You can imagine what a shock that floor is for them.
I work a jr hi tournament here every year that is played on a college floor. The scores are always low, even for jr hi, especially the girls. And tired doesn't even begin to say it! The teams with few subs can't keep it up the whole game, and never win.


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