So at the end of the previous thread about reporting #'s with one hand or two, the question was asked "How long until this mechanic...?"

Just got a memo with the new NCAAW mechanics, and the answer is this year...NCAAW officials will be using the two-hand reporting system this coming season...

I wondered if that was going to happen, since it was something they wanted done in camps last year, even though it was not going to be used during the season.

What are the chances the scorekeepers will be going to camps this summer to learn how to watch us better during this season?

Oh boy! Guess that will make it easy for the coaches to point out who does high school ball when we forget and report with one hand. I can hear the comments now, "he's just a high school ref, no wonder he missed it."

It could work the other way. At my varsity hs girls games, I can pretend to be a college ref by reporting with two hands. Then they can say, "She's a college ref, and she still missed it"

Wouldn't that require a coach to read the mechanics manual or something that has the changes??

How about just be able to read.

Rocky

What other changes and/or mechanics will be implemented this year?

Well, let's see...the experimental time-out thing from last summer, where you put the ball on the floor at the throw-in spot and leave it there (unless cheerleaders come on the floor in that area)...also, changed the wide-angle position to two to three steps inside the 3-point arc...also, no more lock-downs when the shot clock goes off, so we can still rotate. C still has clock...

Are they also going to do away with the lock-down in the final seconds of the period? I would think that if you're going to make the C keep that call, you better keep the C in one spot.

I hope they get rid of the putting the ball on the floor. There's just way too much that can happen; the ball can roll around on its own (and we're supposed to go chase it?). Or some smart-aleck fan walks by and picks it up. Or it gets accidentally kicked by the 4-year-old sitting right behind it. What's wrong with the official who has the OOB spot holding the ball?

Now, with a rotation with the shot clock off, are you saying the new C will have the clock after the rotation? If there are only a few seconds left in the period, how do we communicate as officials the "transfer of responsibility"?

If rocky's saying whoever is C has the call then this one makes absolutely no sense because there's very often 2 C's on a rotation.

If you're sayng that the old C rotating to T keeps the call then it's essentially the men's mechanic, which is C or T away from the table (the difference being you don't require the calling official to be away from the table).

As for putting the ball on the floor at the spot on a timeout...is this because they don't want to burden you with having to actually hold the ball for 75 seconds?

(pant...pant...) I guess that's it, (wheeze...) because I've been working out all summer (gasp...pant...) trying to get my times up to that 75 seconds.

Whew...I've got to go lay down now.

Here's a trick I use: just sit down on the floor until the first horn. :)

Seriously, why do they want it done this way?

My guess is so the coaches know the inbounds spot when the officials all come together during a time-out. At the first time-out we almost always get together as a crew in our conference. Also late in the game we tend to get together to make sure we all know the situation/discuss possibilities. When this happens the ball would come to the group, now it will be on the floor 'marking' the spot of the throw-in.

Personally I like it.

What I was told last year was they wanted the ball to be at the spot where the throw-in was to occur, so that the teams could just look for the ball. In 3-person, one official should be at that spot anyway, but apparently there were times the officals had to get together (perhaps to talk about end-of-game strategy, or where we're going to dinner afterwards :rolleyes: ) and the teams didn't know where the ball was to be put in play.

OK, makes sense.

Thanks.

I'm sure your wife will be pleased. ;)

Hey!

Just be glad I'm not bringing this back on topic - 1 hand or 2...

The stated reason for the ball on the floor is so coaches know where the inbound spot will be, regardless of whether officials are having a conference, or the administering official has gone to get a drink or gone to the table for some reason, etc., etc...

As for the no more lock-down, Chuck it means no more lock-down in final seconds of a period or game...so if there is a rotation, the new C will now have the clock for last second shots. If you rotate again, the NEW C will have the last second shot...The memo also says the T and L should be ready to "provide assistance to the C on the release"...

Gotta say, Rock, that sounds dumb to me. Either lock down so you know for sure who the C is going to be when the horn goes off, or make the opposite official responsible whether s/he is T or C. Your new method leaves too much room for confusion. Good luck when you get a newbie who rotates with 0.5 left in the game. :D

Can't honestly say I'm all excited about it either...my GUESS is that after a few summer tournaments, the powers-that-be will issue some sort of clarification, hopefully along the lines that once we have communicated who has the last second shot, that doesn't change even if there is a rotation...but that's just me hoping...

Let me preface by saying I don't do any college ball, but I thought that the men's mechanic is to have the last second call come from the offical who has primary responsibility for the area from which the shot is taken. That seems to make the most sense to me. I was in a crew that caught some crap for a last second call that the C made, who was opposite table, but the shot came from the tableside baseline corner. I never really understood why the call isn't made by the primary official all the time.

I'd be willing to bet the reasoning is because there were too many L's who considered the lock-down as an opportunity to just stay where they were instead of coming over ball-side to officiate. The officials that I have worked with have all pre-gamed that issue, and we've agreed that we should be ball-side, with the C and T staying put to avoid confusion on the last shot. If there is a change of possesion, the L just comes back across and fills their old spot. I just wonder if there will be more problems with last shots this way, rather than the problems associated with not rotating in the last few seconds.

I'm not sure about the men's mechanic, but the idea of the primary official making the call makes some sense in a half-court offense, but what about in transition? Or what about a shot that comes from the "gray areas"? For the same reasons you could get a double whistle on a foul, you could have two whistles on a last shot. And, what do you do when you signal a good shot, and your partner is waving it off? Isn't that where the fun and frivolity ensues? I've always liked the fact that one person is responsible for that last shot, even if it is outside their area of responsibility.

The men's mechanic is the C or T opposite the table has the last second shot under normal circumstances.

Which means we can rotate & the same person keeps the last shot, because he'll simply move from C to T and back again while staying opposite the table.

In your case, unless we arranged otherwise beforehand the C opposite has the call.

I honestly think that is what most crews were doing last season, and that's why the official mechanic has been revised - and I honestly hope that by the time the season comes around they have decided that it will be handled this way...