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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Almost Always Right
Nevada Ref and I worked 4 games together this weekend.

My condolences. :)

He didn't even mention that one of the games went double OT.

Actually, we only worked 3 games together as the first one was a forfeit.

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Originally posted by tomegun

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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan

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Originally posted by tomegun
Uhh, ChrisSportFan let me toot AAR's horn a little.

He is a good ref. I have worked with him in a state championship and he is on point. He wasn't asking how things should go if he had a foul and then a T. He wanted to know how things would go if they occured at the same time. You changed it for him then gave him advice on something that I know for a fact he has administered many times before.

tomegun, thanks for the update on AAR's resume. Regardless of what games he's worked, his question still confused 1/2 of the responders. I was trying to get a clarification so I asked a question and responded that IF it happened the way I responded then this is how you handle. If you want the post to go in a different direction then EXCUSE ME!

You responded before anyone and changed what he said which was: "Of course we talked about order of occurrence, the fact that they happened simultaneously and being hopeful that I would've reported and administered that they happened at different times(for confusion's sake). However, they actually happened simultaneously.

So if I would have come up with a common foul and a technical foul and had the misfortune of acknowledging that they happened simultaneoulsy, what do we do there?"

I don't think 1/2 of the people misunderstood it and if they did I think they mentioned something about it instead of the way you just told him what he should do in a situation that doesn't even pertain to this.

But I like the way you waited for others to respond before you responded to me! :D

Could it be possible that I did not sit at my computer all day waiting to see if you would respond so I could comment? Like I said, EXCUSE ME for starting a pissing match. I meerly thought I was responding to a discussion board.

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Originally posted by Nevadaref

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Almost Always Right
Nevada Ref and I worked 4 games together this weekend.

My condolences. :)

He didn't even mention that one of the games went double OT.

Actually, we only worked 3 games together as the first one was a forfeit.

Maybe it felt like 4 to him?

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

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Originally posted by Nevadaref

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Almost Always Right
Nevada Ref and I worked 4 games together this weekend.

My condolences. :)

He didn't even mention that one of the games went double OT.

Actually, we only worked 3 games together as the first one was a forfeit.

Maybe it felt like 4 to him?

Maybe AAR forfeited when he saw who his partner was?

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

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Originally posted by Nevadaref

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Almost Always Right
Nevada Ref and I worked 4 games together this weekend.

My condolences. :)

He didn't even mention that one of the games went double OT.

Actually, we only worked 3 games together as the first one was a forfeit.

Maybe it felt like 4 to him?

Maybe AAR forfeited when he saw who his partner was?

:lol:

Then I feel his pain, there have been times when I've walked into a gym to do a marathon aau set and felt like turning around when I saw who my partner was gonna be.

(There have been times when I needed to drag my partner back into the gym too, but that's another thread.)

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Yes - The actual game count was 3(one WAS a forfeit) however, I blamed NevadaRef for the Double OT(he was R on that one) so I count it as 4 games!!
and Nevada I T'd that coach for U so you can't blame me for the "extra work"!!

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Originally posted by rainmaker

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Good grief.

Let's forget the IF'S and establish a scenario!

B1 fouls A1. This results in a personal foul.

A1 curses the official. This results in a technical foul.

The fouls occur at the EXACT SAME TIME.

How are the fouls penalized under 2005-2006 NFHS rules?

Okay. But before we beat that one to death, let's establish a different scenario (call it situation D), in which B1 fouls A1, resulting in a pf, and A1 curses B1 resulting in a T. Would that be a false double foul?

Not a false double foul.

The definition of false double foul says:
A false double foul is a situation in which there are fouls by both teams, the second of which occurs before the clock is started following the first, and such that at least one of the attributes of a double foul is absent.

It's also not a double foul since the infractions were not committed against each other.

All that's left is simultaneous.

Penalty in the new rules...not sure.

Under the old rules, I belive the AP arrow would be used and the throwin spot would be determined by the foul of the team without the arrow.

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Originally posted by Camron Rust

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Originally posted by rainmaker

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Good grief.

Let's forget the IF'S and establish a scenario!

B1 fouls A1. This results in a personal foul.

A1 curses the official. This results in a technical foul.

The fouls occur at the EXACT SAME TIME.

How are the fouls penalized under 2005-2006 NFHS rules?

Okay. But before we beat that one to death, let's establish a different scenario (call it situation D), in which B1 fouls A1, resulting in a pf, and A1 curses B1 resulting in a T. Would that be a false double foul?

Not a false double foul.

The definition of false double foul says:
A false double foul is a situation in which there are fouls by both teams, the second of which occurs before the clock is started following the first, and such that at least one of the attributes of a double foul is absent.

It's also not a double foul since the infractions were not committed against each other.

All that's left is simultaneous.

Penalty in the new rules...not sure.

Under the old rules, I belive the AP arrow would be used and the throwin spot would be determined by the foul of the team without the arrow.

Juulie,

Is your scenario (D) where the PF on B1 occurs at the same time as the TF on A1? Or is where PF on B1 occurs and then the TF on A1? I'm guessing because of this thread that it's the former, I just wanted to be sure. Because if it's the latter, then you shoot 1+1 for PF on B1 and then 2+possession for TF on A1.

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Originally posted by Almost Always Right

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

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Originally posted by Nevadaref

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Almost Always Right
Nevada Ref and I worked 4 games together this weekend.

My condolences. :)

He didn't even mention that one of the games went double OT.

Actually, we only worked 3 games together as the first one was a forfeit.

Maybe it felt like 4 to him?

Maybe AAR forfeited when he saw who his partner was?

Yes - The actual game count was 3(one WAS a forfeit) however, I blamed NevadaRef for the Double OT(he was R on that one) so I count it as 4 games!!
and Nevada I T'd that coach for U so you can't blame me for the "extra work"!!

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Screw you guys. I'm goin' home.

[Edited by Nevadaref on May 11th, 2005 at 03:01 AM]