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Wow!

Kind of an obvious pushoff. Looks like he got away with it, though.

I've seen weaker blocks by All-American Tight ends.

I remember the holding call.

It's good to see that it is still a crappy call.

There was a push there. I can also see why the official might have passed on it.

Peace

Oh my.

Someone's gotta call that one.

Looks to me like the lead might have followed the airball instead of staying with the rebounders. Gotta have a whistle there... might see retaliation later.

Z

Dan,
How 'bout this as a possible train of thought?

Lead sees the contact and both players are going toward the endline and "out of the play". Though possibly intentional, the contact is passed because at that time the play was unaffected.
Now, when the pusher does get the ball (an the advantage was gained due to a long rebound), it is now too late for the offiical to call that hold/block.

mick

Agree with Dan. You could be a l'il late(or more) on the whistle, but when the player doing the pushing actually gets the rebound as a result of his illegal act, ya gotta call it. I can see the L getting a heckuva lot more crap from his supervisor for letting this one go than if he hadda called it a l'il bit late. Definite advantage gained with the pushoff.

Oh my. It looked like the lead was in a pretty good position to see the play, if he was watching the play and not the ball that is.

It seemed like a pretty obvious push to me as well, but I can see the lead not seeing it if they are following the ball. To me, this looks a perfect call for the C to make -once they've finished watching the shooter, there is not much other action on that side of the floor, so they wouldn't be reaching too far across to get that call.

M&M, I'm assuming you are saying the Trail could call this and not the C.

Either way I estimate this play was no more than four feet away from the Lead and directly in front of him. The player used both forearms/hands to push the upperback/neck/head. The whistle could be delayed all the way up to the player getting the rebound.

It would take big ones, but I agree someone should got git it.
Wrong side of the lane.
Right in front of partner.
mick

Actually, I did originally mean the C. Now, my point of reference is women's mechanics, so it may not apply to the men's side, but we are taught that C and T should watch for rebounding fouls. Also, if there are no immediate "competitive matchups" in your area, you can "expand" your area a little, which could mean the C calling a foul on the other side of the lane if there are no players on the C's side of the floor. Now, when I went back and watched it again, I saw the C had the shooter and defender in the corner, but once the shot was gone and the C watched the shooter back to the floor, the push had already happened. So, in this case, the call had to come from the L or T. It probably should have come the L, but I can see why he followed the ball. Also, the T might've been straight-lined on the push. The C would have the best angle on the call, if the push would've happened a split second later.

Yep, this is exactly what I meant. *Someone* had to have called that, especially when the offender gets the ball.

No way I'm calling that in a D-1 game. There was obvious contact, but not enough in my opinion to call a foul on. I don't think he gained an advantage by pushing, considering the ball rebounded nowhere near either of them.

*plink plink*

Remember the film they showed us last fall with all those uncalled fouls? Followed by a famous voice commanding "That's a foul! Call it!"

I bet you $5 we'll be looking at that play next fall.

You mean the one where everybody in the room looked at each other and said, "Bwah?" Yeah, I remember. ;) And you're probably right.

Huh???????
Would you call it in a HS game?
Grammar School?
Rec League?

If it is a clear advantage for A4 to push B4 in the back, then get the ball, make the call.

I'm not so sure he got pushed in the back. It could be the neck or head. Contact like this could lead to a fight.

Exactly. Not every foul has to be adv/dis. Some fouls are "game management fouls." Let this one go and you might regret it when the game gets real messy later.

Z

I think this is one that should have been called. The contact was NOT incidental in any manner. It was not a light bump. It also assisted #5 in getting to the ball and kept his opponent away.

God?

Henry Nichols?

Or, in NCAA ball, is there no difference between the two? :p

(With apologies to SuperFan)

They usually use NCAA Tournament games for those. I do not think this was a tournament game.

I do get your point.

Peace

Hey, JRut, were you working in Libertyville Sunday?