Block or Charge?

tomegun

The clip is labeled "block or charge?" http://thomass2004.home.comcast.net/

Try to make a decision after viewing it once (this is what we were originally told to do).

brainbrian

Doo doo doo.

404 🙁

Edit: I found the problem, your main HTML page links to the file

http://thomass2004.home.comcast.net/clips/blcokcharge.mpeg

when it should really point to:

http://thomass2004.home.comcast.net/clips/blockcharge.mpeg

Notice the spelling of "block" 😉 I make webpages myself and debugging is more than 50% of the work in computer programming. Now let me view the clip. 😉

My initial inclination was to go with a block. Then after watching it in slow motion I think I would stick with that ruling. I also noticed afterwards that's what the lead called as well. But man. that was pretty close, it could go either way. Just as long as you call something.

[Edited by brainbrian on Apr 28th, 2005 at 09:39 PM]

JRutledge

I have a charge or PC foul.

The defender did nothing but move laterally, which they can by rule when contact took place. I think this gets called a block many times, because we do not referee the defense or it would just be easy to call a block on this close call.

This is just my opinion. I think some will disagree.

Peace

brainbrian

Actually, after reading the rules on a legal guarding position, I might give them the charge. Rule 4-20, to obtain a legal guarding position

1. No minimum distance is required
2. Every player is entitled to a spot on the floor provided such player gets there first without illegally contacting an opponent.
3. The guard must have both feet touching the floor
4. The front of the guard’s torso must be facing the opponent
5. No time distance is required to obtain an initial legal position

But I'll still stand behind my call that if this was a game I probably would have went with a block before.

Damian

It looked like he never had a LGP. Block

BktBallRef

Still moving when the offensive player left his feet. Block.

Snake~eyes

Originally posted by Damian
It looked like he never had a LGP. Block

Why do you say that?

canuckrefguy

Block.

Defender adjusts his position after shooter leaves the floor.

Another toughie, though...

tomegun

Originally posted by brainbrian
Doo doo doo.

404 🙁

Edit: I found the problem, your main HTML page links to the file

http://thomass2004.home.comcast.net/clips/blcokcharge.mpeg

when it should really point to:

http://thomass2004.home.comcast.net/clips/blockcharge.mpeg

Notice the spelling of "block" 😉 I make webpages myself and debugging is more than 50% of the work in computer programming. Now let me view the clip. 😉

My initial inclination was to go with a block. Then after watching it in slow motion I think I would stick with that ruling. I also noticed afterwards that's what the lead called as well. But man. that was pretty close, it could go either way. Just as long as you call something.

[Edited by brainbrian on Apr 28th, 2005 at 09:39 PM]

Thanks, fixed the page.

Back In The Saddle

I'm going to have to agree with the L on this one.

mick

Shooter trying to avoid.
Contact forced by defender.

bbref3103

Block all day long. Defender still moving -- caused the contact. Great call by the Lead.

ChrisSportsFan

the view from behind which is close to the view the L had showed the D moved into where O jumped and did not beat him to the spot. do do do doot da doooo...BLOCK!

zebraman

Very close one, but it looked to me like the defender moved to the side after the shooter was airborne. Block. Almost a coin flip call.

M&M Guy

I had a block as well. I saw the defender still moving laterally after the offensive player left his feet, and contact appeared to be more on the defender's left shoulder rather than direct in the torso. That combination of factors seemed to trigger my reaction that the defender was responsible for the contact.

These are good discussion videos; keep 'em coming!

Mark Dexter

Block - the defender's left shoulder is moving into the offensive player, and the defender is clearly initiating contact.

cford

Block!

TriggerMN

Originally posted by Snake~eyes

Originally posted by Damian
It looked like he never had a LGP. Block

Why do you say that?

Because it's true.

The fact that the defender is moving has nothing to do with this call. A defender can draw a PC foul while moving. But pair the movement with the fact that the defender never established legal guarding position, except perhaps after the offensive player had already left the floor in a shot attempt, and it makes this one an easy block call.

Junker

I'm going block on this one. As others have said, the defender initiated the contact. At the camp I attended a couple of weeks ago, Rick Hartzell was saying that he looks at where the offensive player hits the defender. If he/she gets them square in the chest, he's going PC, if they contact any other part of the body, he's going block. I thought that was a nice and easy way to look at this type of play.

Almost Always Right

Some of you have said that the defender "initiated contact" on this play. While the defender's right foot is sliding to the left and the left foot stays where it's at, the defender definitely does not initiate contact. Make no mistake that the offensive player initiated the contact here.
I would probably have come up with PC on this one because that is what I usually do in bang bang plays and I find it hard to reward offensive players that come in out of control. However, I certainly would not have a problem explaining a block call here nor would I have a problem supporting my partners going block here.
Thanx T-Gun
AAR