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ref18 Mon Apr 18, 2005 08:26pm

I just did a cash game tonight. The fee for each official is $22. So for two it should be $44.

Before the game the coach hands me a bag of cash that contains $54. He says that should cover it, he just got it from the manager.


What do you do?? :cool:

rainmaker Mon Apr 18, 2005 08:29pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ref18
I just did a cash game tonight. The fee for each official is $22. So for two it should be $44.

Before the game the coach hands me a bag of cash that contains $54. He says that should cover it, he just got it from the manager.


What do you do?? :cool:

You ask him what the extra $10 is for -- you want to know ahead of time what you're expected to deliver and this isn't the amount you bargained for.

WeekendRef Mon Apr 18, 2005 08:48pm

Shouldn't be a question
 
I think you know the answer to this already....take the $10 and buy a six pack of Pepsi .
Seriously - The fact that you are asking the question means that you know the right thing to do .Let the guy know that there is $10 extra dollars in there and ask that he return it to the manager and the next time you see the manager ask him if he got back the extra $10 that was left in the bag....As you know you can never trust those coaches:)

Dan_ref Mon Apr 18, 2005 08:58pm

Reminds me of an old joke.

A man of a particular ethnic persuasion was having a disussion with his young son concerning ethics. The son asked him what is meant by the term "moral dilemma". The father answered as follows:

"Abie my son, you know that your Uncle Herbie and I are partners in a clothing store on the lower east side?"

"Yes Pappa, a fine store it is!" replied the son.

"Well son, here's an example of a moral dilemma. Imagine a rich shiksah from the upper east side comes into our store and buys a hat for her husband."

"OK Pappa."

"Now imagine the hat costs $40."

"Oh pappa, that is an expensive hat!"

"Yes Abie, it is. Now imagine the woman pays with two twenty dollar bills and leaves with her purchase."

"Oh Pappa, I do hope she comes again!!"

"Yes my son. Now Abie, imagine that as you put the money in the cash register you notice that there's a $100 bill stuck between the twenties."

"Oi gevald Pappa, how could that be??!"

"Yes my son, it is terrible. And now here's the dilemma: Do you tell your Uncle Herbie about the extra 100?"


26 Year Gap Mon Apr 18, 2005 09:03pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ref18
I just did a cash game tonight. The fee for each official is $22. So for two it should be $44.

Before the game the coach hands me a bag of cash that contains $54. He says that should cover it, he just got it from the manager.


What do you do?? :cool:

You call the game fairly as you would any other game. ;)

Mark Dexter Mon Apr 18, 2005 09:49pm

The fact that he handed you a bag of cash concerns me a bit more than the extra ten bucks. Were these all small, unmarked bills?

rainmaker Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:37pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
The fact that he handed you a bag of cash concerns me a bit more than the extra ten bucks. Were these all small, unmarked bills?
I was thinking jingle, jingle, jingle...

canuckrefguy Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:36am

44 bucks? Must be a pretty small bag....

You tell him he must have mis-counted, and you give him the $10 back.

JRutledge Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:38am

Take the money and do what I normally would do. Call the game and go home.

Peace

canuckrefguy Tue Apr 19, 2005 01:15am

I don't understand why you wouldn't give the extra $10 back. :confused:

It's hardly a huge moral dilemma, and obviously not an attempt to bribe or anything like that (if it is, it's a pathetic attempt at bribery :D). Someone obviously just counted the cash wrong. What's the big deal about giving back the extra fin?

I'm thinking if you fess up, some good karma will be headed your way later on :)

Back In The Saddle Tue Apr 19, 2005 01:38am

It's simple math really, which is worth more? $10 or your integrity?

som44 Tue Apr 19, 2005 06:26am

Simple--no thought--give back $10.00

bob jenkins Tue Apr 19, 2005 07:19am

Quote:

Originally posted by canuckrefguy
What's the big deal about giving back the extra fin?


If you give back the extra fin, what do you do with the other $5? ;)


ChrisSportsFan Tue Apr 19, 2005 07:48am

Do you think it could be possible that you were being tested?

"Let's see how trustworthy this guy really is and throw an extra $10. in his pay and see if he's honest".

If you keep it, just don't get mad if you lose some $ in the near future. Like others have said; integrity and karma are more important to me. Who knows, they might have said that they changed their rate and the $ is yours, then you would have this hanging over you.

BktBallRef Tue Apr 19, 2005 07:48am

Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
Take the money and do what I normally would do. Call the game and go home.
Good ole' honest Abe from Illinois. :(

I've thought a lot of things about you. But I never thought that you were dishonest. Guess I was wrong.

BktBallRef Tue Apr 19, 2005 07:50am

Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Reminds me of an old joke.

A man of a particular ethnic persuasion was having a disussion with his young son concerning ethics. The son asked him what is meant by the term "moral dilemma". The father answered as follows:

"Abie my son, you know that your Uncle Herbie and I are partners in a clothing store on the lower east side?"

"Yes Pappa, a fine store it is!" replied the son.

"Well son, here's an example of a moral dilemma. Imagine a rich shiksah from the upper east side comes into our store and buys a hat for her husband."

"OK Pappa."

"Now imagine the hat costs $40."

"Oh pappa, that is an expensive hat!"

"Yes Abie, it is. Now imagine the woman pays with two twenty dollar bills and leaves with her purchase."

"Oh Pappa, I do hope she comes again!!"

"Yes my son. Now Abie, imagine that as you put the money in the cash register you notice that there's a $100 bill stuck between the twenties."

"Oi gevald Pappa, how could that be??!"

"Yes my son, it is terrible. And now here's the dilemma: Do you tell your Uncle Herbie about the extra 100?"


WTH is a shiksah?

rainmaker Tue Apr 19, 2005 09:26am

Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
WTH is a shiksah?
You need to get out more!

Dan_ref Tue Apr 19, 2005 09:27am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BktBallRef
[B]
Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref

WTH is a shiksah?

Yiddish word for a non-Jewish woman, somewhat less than complementary, sometimes spelled shiksa.

bob jenkins Tue Apr 19, 2005 09:28am

Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
WTH is a shiksah?
I suspect he meant:

shik·sa
n. Offensive
Used as a disparaging term for a non-Jewish girl or woman.

Ref in PA Tue Apr 19, 2005 09:51am

If the Lord is going to send me to Hell for being dishonest, it is going to be for a lot more than $10. I'd give it back. Now if the winning lottery ticket was inside ...

cmckenna Tue Apr 19, 2005 09:55am

Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by canuckrefguy
What's the big deal about giving back the extra fin?


If you give back the extra fin, what do you do with the other $5? ;)


He applied the conversion rate and it came out 5 ;)

Jurassic Referee Tue Apr 19, 2005 09:59am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dan_ref
[B]
Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref

WTH is a shiksah?

Yiddish word for a non-Jewish woman, somewhat less than compl<font color = red>e</font>mentary, sometimes spelled shiksa.

Hmmmmmmm......

Tsk,tsk,tsk......

I certainly can't be very compl<font color = red>i</font>mentary of your spelling skills.

Where's Mr. Spelling/Grammar/Dic(tion)head Person when you need him?

NOTE: Edited to fix a spelling error. :D

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Apr 19th, 2005 at 11:04 AM]

rockyroad Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:15am

Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
Take the money and do what I normally would do. Call the game and go home.
Good ole' honest Abe from Illinois. :(

I've thought a lot of things about you. But I never thought that you were dishonest. Guess I was wrong.

Come on now Tony - you know it's just that things are different in Chicago than they are anywhere else...it's a regional thing!


JRutledge Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:21am

Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
Take the money and do what I normally would do. Call the game and go home.
Good ole' honest Abe from Illinois. :(

I've thought a lot of things about you. But I never thought that you were dishonest. Guess I was wrong.

Unless there is a contract, I do not look at my money. If you think it is dishonest, so what.

Peace

Robmoz Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:29am

Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
Take the money and do what I normally would do. Call the game and go home.
Good ole' honest Abe from Illinois. :(

I've thought a lot of things about you. But I never thought that you were dishonest. Guess I was wrong. [/B]
Unless there is a contract, I do not look at my money. If you think it is dishonest, so what.

Peace [/B]

If you really think this then why reply? If you want us to believe that you do not look at the money then what would you do when you got home and found the error?

ChuckElias Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:48am

Quote:

Originally posted by Ref in PA
If the Lord is going to send me to Hell for being dishonest, it is going to be for a lot more than $10. I'd give it back. Now if the winning lottery ticket was inside ...
Another old joke:

Man to woman: "My lady, would you agree to sleep with me for a million dollars?"

Woman: "Why, yes, I believe I would."

Man: "Would you agree to sleep with me for five dollars?"

Woman (indignantly): "What kind of woman do you think I am?!?!"

Man: "I thought we'd already established that, and are now merely haggling over the price!"

ChuckElias Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:49am

Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Where's Mr. Spelling/Grammar/Dic(tion)head Person when you need him?
Probably out in the middle of the Carribean somewhere goofing off.

ChrisSportsFan Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:50am

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by Ref in PA
If the Lord is going to send me to Hell for being dishonest, it is going to be for a lot more than $10. I'd give it back. Now if the winning lottery ticket was inside ...
Another old joke:

Man to woman: "My lady, would you agree to sleep with me for a million dollars?"

Woman: "Why, yes, I believe I would."

Man: "Would you agree to sleep with me for five dollars?"

Woman (indignantly): "What kind of woman do you think I am?!?!"

Man: "I thought we'd already established that, and are now merely haggling over the price!"

That's where I thought the other joke was going. ^

JRutledge Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:09pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Robmoz



If you really think this then why reply? If you want us to believe that you do not look at the money then what would you do when you got home and found the error?

Have you ever heard of the phrase "because I can?"

There is nothing anyone is going to do but run their mouth.

Peace

zebraman Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:42pm

Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
Take the money and do what I normally would do. Call the game and go home.
Good ole' honest Abe from Illinois. :(

I've thought a lot of things about you. But I never thought that you were dishonest. Guess I was wrong.

Oh yes, that old attitude of "it's not dishonest if nobody finds out about it." Consider the source, no surprise.

Z

BktBallRef Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:49pm

Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
WTH is a shiksah?
You need to get out more!

Sorry but there aren't a whole lot of Jewish haberdashery shops where I live. In fact, there aren't a lot of Jewish folk either.

rockyroad Tue Apr 19, 2005 01:48pm

Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge

There is nothing anyone is going to do but run their mouth.

Peace


Case in point...

w_sohl Tue Apr 19, 2005 01:55pm

JRut casts his line and all the fish bite...

Jurassic Referee Tue Apr 19, 2005 02:24pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Where's Mr. Spelling/Grammar/Dic(tion)head Person when you need him?
Probably out in the middle of the Carribean somewhere goofing off.

You really know how to hurt a person, don't you.

I saw a robin today.

Jurassic Referee Tue Apr 19, 2005 02:54pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Reminds me of an old joke.

A man of a particular ethnic persuasion was having a disussion with his young son concerning ethics. The son asked him what is meant by the term "moral dilemma". The father answered as follows:

"Abie my son, you know that your Uncle Herbie and I are partners in a clothing store on the lower east side?"

"Yes Pappa, a fine store it is!" replied the son.

"Well son, here's an example of a moral dilemma. Imagine a rich shiksah from the upper east side comes into our store and buys a hat for her husband."

"OK Pappa."

"Now imagine the hat costs $40."

"Oh pappa, that is an expensive hat!"

"Yes Abie, it is. Now imagine the woman pays with two twenty dollar bills and leaves with her purchase."

"Oh Pappa, I do hope she comes again!!"

"Yes my son. Now Abie, imagine that as you put the money in the cash register you notice that there's a $100 bill stuck between the twenties."

"Oi gevald Pappa, how could that be??!"

"Yes my son, it is terrible. And now here's the dilemma: Do you tell your Uncle Herbie about the extra 100?"


The little, old Jewish man was on his death bed. While suffering the agonies of his impending demise, he suddenly smelled the aroma of his very all-time favorite, special cookies- marzipan dreidel cookies. Gathering his little remaining strength, the old man lifted himself from the bed and fell out on the floor. He then crawled slowly over to the door and made his way through it. With even greater effort, he crawled to the head of the stairs, grasped the railing with both hands, and slowly--very sloooooowly- step by step--made his way down the stairs. At the bottom, following the delicious scent of his favorite cookies, he crawled over to the kitchen door, managed somehow to reach up with almost the last of his strength and turn the door knob, and then crawled slowly through the open door into the kitchen. Were it not for the pain wracking his body, he now would have thought himself already in heaven- for there, laid out upon waxed paper on the kitchen table were literally hundreds of still steaming, fresh from the oven, marzipan dreidel cookies. Was this truly heaven, or was this one final act of heroic love from his devoted wife of 63 years, seeing that he would leave this life a happy man? Mustering one great final effort, he threw himself towards the table, landing in a crumpled heap just beside it. With the last of his strength, he reached up with an aged, withering and shaking hand towards a cookie at the side of the table, and......
His wife smacked his hand with a spatula. "Back off" she said. "Those cookies are for the funeral".


Thought I'd throw that one in. This thread is down the dumper anyway.




M&M Guy Tue Apr 19, 2005 03:05pm

So, what happens if when he finally is able to reach up to grab one cookie, and when he brings his hand back, he finds he has two? Does he keep the extra cookie?

Jurassic Referee Tue Apr 19, 2005 03:23pm

Quote:

Originally posted by M&M Guy
So, what happens if when he finally is able to reach up to grab one cookie, and when he brings his hand back, he finds he has two? Does he keep the extra cookie?
Nah, the Cookie Monster cuts his hand off with a carving knife. That'll teach the old sh*t to be greedy.


M&M Guy Tue Apr 19, 2005 03:25pm

:D

imaref Wed Apr 20, 2005 08:38am

No brainer....

Inform admin that there was EXTRA $10 included in the fees you received and give the $10 back!

JMHO

wl

26 Year Gap Wed Apr 20, 2005 06:01pm

I guess the real question is this: Did you keep the $10 or give it back like you should have?

Mark Padgett Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:17am

Rut says he wouldn't look in the bag so he wouldn't know how much is in there. What if after the game, he looks and it's $10 short. According to his logic, he would just accept that and go home.

Yeah, suuuuuuuuuure.

JRutledge Thu Apr 21, 2005 01:14pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Rut says he wouldn't look in the bag so he wouldn't know how much is in there. What if after the game, he looks and it's $10 short. According to his logic, he would just accept that and go home.

Yeah, suuuuuuuuuure.

That has happen to me, and I did not around chasing the money.

Peace

Jimgolf Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:03am

"Excuse me, coach, there's only $10 extra in here. We usually charge $50 to let the home team win."

Mark Padgett Sat Apr 23, 2005 07:48pm

I always ask the coaches before the game if they want to buy "foul insurance".


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