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Suppref Wed Mar 14, 2001 04:47pm

Just for conversation's sake, let's say with a few seconds left in a quarter, team A rebounds in the back court, turns a throws a desparation shot at A's basket. The shot is short, bounces on the floor, and goes through the basket. Do you count the goal? 2 or 3 points? What if the horn sounds after the bounce?

mick Wed Mar 14, 2001 05:08pm

I'll guess
 
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Originally posted by Suppref
Just for conversation's sake, let's say with a few seconds left in a quarter, team A rebounds in the back court, turns a throws a desparation shot at A's basket. The shot is short, bounces on the floor, and goes through the basket. Do you count the goal? 2 or 3 points? What if the horn sounds after the bounce?
Suppref,
Two points before the horn cuz try ended when it hit the floor.
No points after horn cuz try ended when it hit the floor.
mick

Lotto Wed Mar 14, 2001 05:11pm

Easy one. The try ends when the ball hits the floor. If the horn sounds before the bounce, then the ball becomes dead when the try ends, that is, when the ball bounces (or when it is apparent that the ball isn't going in). If the horn sounds after the bounce, the ball becomes dead immediately. No points, then, in either case.

If the ball passes through the basket before the horn, count 2 points for team A, as the 3 point try ends when the ball hits the ground.

Brian Watson Thu Mar 15, 2001 08:49am

Isn't this in the case book?

Suppref Thu Mar 15, 2001 08:55am

Maybe that's where I heard of it?
 
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Originally posted by Brian Watson
Isn't this in the case book?
After further review!!! 5.1.1
It's still good to know that the paticipants of this forum are knowledgeable as well as helpful. I'm also impressed with Brain's photographic memory. How do you do it?

Brian Watson Thu Mar 15, 2001 09:39am

Lucky I guess.

Like I mentioned a while ago, when I am in the locker room before a game and before my partner shows up I just randomly pick a rule in the rule book or section in the case book to read. It keeps the dust off and gets me mentally ready for a game.

Suppref Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:23am

I try to do the same thing
 
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Originally posted by Brian Watson
Lucky I guess.

Like I mentioned a while ago, when I am in the locker room before a game and before my partner shows up I just randomly pick a rule in the rule book or section in the case book to read. It keeps the dust off and gets me mentally ready for a game.

I guess I missed that one this season. Although my vocation hours changed this season and I did not have as much time in the lockerroom as in years past. Thanks again:)

Brian Watson Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:45am

I catch a certain amount of grief for it. There is that strain of official out there that thinks once you get to a certain point in your "career" your rule books should be in mint condition atthe end of the season. I have been told more than once that I must not be a good official because I have to read the rules.

I guess I don't see it that way because I choose to read them.

mick Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:50am

I know what yer sayin'
 
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Originally posted by Brian Watson
I catch a certain amount of grief for it. There is that strain of official out there that thinks once you get to a certain point in your "career" your rule books should be in mint condition atthe end of the season. I have been told more than once that I must not be a good official because I have to read the rules.

I guess I don't see it that way because I choose to read them.

Brian,
All my books are absolute rags. :)
mick

Todd VandenAkker Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:13am

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Originally posted by Brian Watson
I have been told more than once that I must not be a good official because I have to read the rules.
That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time. I don't know about you, but I think I could predict fairly close which "veteran" officials in my association rarely read, let alone study, the rules any more. Their ignorance either shows in what they say, or in what they DON'T say because they often don't want to risk an opinion lest they be wrong.

Brian Watson Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:37am

I agree. I had the one just this year, guy was a "vet" came in saw me reading and immediatly had one of those sour faces when he saw it was the rule book (This was also like 20 minutes before game time). He asked me if it was my first year, I said no my 11th and he drops "well if this is your 11th year and you still need to read that I guess I had better be the R".

Luckily the game was cake, but it was one of the worst pregames I had all year.


Suppref Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:43am

Same sitch
 
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Originally posted by Brian Watson
I agree. I had the one just this year, guy was a "vet" came in saw me reading and immediatly had one of those sour faces when he saw it was the rule book (This was also like 20 minutes before game time). He asked me if it was my first year, I said no my 11th and he drops "well if this is your 11th year and you still need to read that I guess I had better be the R".

Luckily the game was cake, but it was one of the worst pregames I had all year.


Brian the same thing happened to me, When he said he should be the R, I replied," Well the rules are fresh in my mind, maybe I should toss it" That was the worst pregame I ever had.
I learned not to say things like that to the vets. Now I feel when it's my turn to do the State Tourney finals, we'll be looking for someone to pick him up at the nursing home for the annual banquet:)


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