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refnrev Tue Apr 05, 2005 08:29am

Don't the upcoming year's rule changes come out about this time of year. Anyone know when they will be released by the NFHS? I didn't see anything on their website.

bob jenkins Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:17am

The basketball rules committee meets on April 18.

Last year's changes were announce April 28.


JugglingReferee Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:30pm

I recall that twice in the past 6 years that I first heard of the new Fed rules in early May.

tjones1 Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:01pm

Any predictions?????

Back In The Saddle Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:34am

I predict no gray shirts or shot clock. I hope they make the "playing oob" a violation instead of a technical foul. I hope they add some clarification to the term path and to closely guarded.

BktBallRef Fri Apr 08, 2005 07:32am

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I hope they make the "playing oob" a violation instead of a technical foul.
Say what?

Almost Always Right Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:17am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I hope they make the "playing oob" a violation instead of a technical foul.
Say what?


^ What he said.

Snake~eyes Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:53am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I hope they make the "playing oob" a violation instead of a technical foul.
Say what?

He must of called a lot of Ts....

Junker Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:06am

I've only seen it called once (it was me) and heard of it called twice. The only reason I called it was that the kid stepped back inbounds after running the length of the baseline oob, caught the ball and made the shot. I couldn't get away with a violation (he was clearly back inbounds) so I had to go with the T. The coach understood after my explanation. Luckily it was in a weekend middle school tournament and not in a HS game. I still think it should be a T, not a violation.

Dan_ref Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:09am

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Originally posted by Almost Always Right
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I hope they make the "playing oob" a violation instead of a technical foul.
Say what?


^ What he said.

He said "I...HOPE...THEY...MAKE...THE..."PLAYING OOB"...A...VIOLATION...INSTEAD...OF...A...TECHNICA L...FOUL"

FrankHtown Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:41am

Ok...where does 9-2-12 fit in? "No teammate of the thrower shall be out of bounds after a designated-spot throw-in begins"

I interpret that to mean if a teammate of the thrower goes out of bounds, it's a throw-in violation. Is that the correct interpretation?

Are we to call a violation or a technical?

BktBallRef Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:03pm

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Originally posted by FrankHtown
Ok...where does 9-2-12 fit in? "No teammate of the thrower shall be out of bounds after a designated-spot throw-in begins"

I interpret that to mean if a teammate of the thrower goes out of bounds, it's a throw-in violation. Is that the correct interpretation?

Are we to call a violation or a technical?

That's correct. It's a violation for a seconf player to be OOB when his team's thrower is already OOB with the ball.

brainbrian Fri Apr 08, 2005 01:25pm

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Originally posted by Snake~eyes
I hope they make the "playing oob" a violation instead of a technical foul.
I had a partner call it a violation, no one knew the difference. :D Then afterwards his teammate told him he couldn't do that. They player said "I know."

I would prefer the violation better.

refnrev Fri Apr 08, 2005 08:58pm


He said "I...HOPE...THEY...MAKE...THE..."PLAYING OOB"...A...VIOLATION...INSTEAD...OF...A...TECHNICA L...FOUL" [/B][/QUOTE]
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OK Dan.. I know you said it louder. Now can you say it a little slower.

refnrev Fri Apr 08, 2005 09:08pm

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Originally posted by Junker
I've only seen it called once (it was me) and heard of it called twice. The only reason I called it was that the kid stepped back inbounds after running the length of the baseline oob, caught the ball and made the shot. I couldn't get away with a violation (he was clearly back inbounds) so I had to go with the T. The coach understood after my explanation. Luckily it was in a weekend middle school tournament and not in a HS game. I still think it should be a T, not a violation.

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I've seen it called once and it was a bad call, in fact the call was ridiculous. It didn't even fit the situation it is designed to prevent. It was a bad T and I ended up having to have a fan ejected because he wouldn't get off my partner's back. I hope they change this to a violation.

Snake~eyes Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:08pm

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Originally posted by brainbrian
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Originally posted by Snake~eyes
I hope they make the "playing oob" a violation instead of a technical foul.
I had a partner call it a violation, no one knew the difference. :D Then afterwards his teammate told him he couldn't do that. They player said "I know."

I would prefer the violation better.

LOL, You quoted it wrong! :D I didn't say that!

brandan89 Sat Apr 09, 2005 03:34pm

I hear their wanting to change the uniform.....


Striped shirt, instead of black pants, going with the fishnets. :)

[Edited by brandan89 on Apr 9th, 2005 at 07:31 PM]

Mark Padgett Sat Apr 09, 2005 06:24pm

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Originally posted by brandan89
I hear their wanting to change the uniform.....


Striped shirt, instad of black pants, going with the fishnets. :)

You mean without shorts!?!?!? :rolleyes:

brandan89 Sat Apr 09, 2005 06:31pm

Hmmm... Lets hope they require them. :)

refnrev Sun Apr 10, 2005 07:43pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
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Originally posted by brandan89
I hear their wanting to change the uniform.....


Striped shirt, instad of black pants, going with the fishnets. :)

You mean without shorts!?!?!? :rolleyes:

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Spence Tue Apr 12, 2005 01:05pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by FrankHtown
Ok...where does 9-2-12 fit in? "No teammate of the thrower shall be out of bounds after a designated-spot throw-in begins"

I interpret that to mean if a teammate of the thrower goes out of bounds, it's a throw-in violation. Is that the correct interpretation?

Are we to call a violation or a technical?

That's correct. It's a violation for a seconf player to be OOB when his team's thrower is already OOB with the ball.

Is this true only on a designated throw-in and not true after a made basket? I'm picturing the OOB play where A1 is taking it out against pressure, A2 runs out of bounds where A1 then passes it to him and A1 then goes inbounds to receive the pass.

Is this only a violation if its on a designated throw-in?

Camron Rust Tue Apr 12, 2005 03:39pm

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Originally posted by Spence
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by FrankHtown
Ok...where does 9-2-12 fit in? "No teammate of the thrower shall be out of bounds after a designated-spot throw-in begins"

I interpret that to mean if a teammate of the thrower goes out of bounds, it's a throw-in violation. Is that the correct interpretation?

Are we to call a violation or a technical?

That's correct. It's a violation for a seconf player to be OOB when his team's thrower is already OOB with the ball.

Is this true only on a designated throw-in and not true after a made basket? I'm picturing the OOB play where A1 is taking it out against pressure, A2 runs out of bounds where A1 then passes it to him and A1 then goes inbounds to receive the pass.

Is this only a violation if its on a designated throw-in?

You are correct. The restriction is only applicable on a designated spot throwin.

FrankHtown Tue Apr 12, 2005 04:07pm

OK, then...my question is...if we see a teammate of the thrower run out of bounds, for example, to get behind a screen, ...why aren't we calling a violation, and make giving the technical a moot point?

walter Tue Apr 12, 2005 04:30pm

The only potential rule change that I've heard of (from a committee member)and apparently it is getting very serious consideration is expanding the high school coaching box to match the college coaching box (i.e. end line to 28 foot line). Other than that, nothing dramatic is being discussed.

Jurassic Referee Tue Apr 12, 2005 04:31pm

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Originally posted by FrankHtown
OK, then...my question is...if we see a teammate of the thrower run out of bounds, for example, to get behind a screen, ...why aren't we calling a violation, and make giving the technical a moot point?
Call the violation on a spot throw-in. Otherwise, for non throw-in situations, call the T if a player goes OOB and gains an unfair advantage.

Spence Tue Apr 12, 2005 06:30pm

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Originally posted by Camron Rust
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Originally posted by Spence
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by FrankHtown
Ok...where does 9-2-12 fit in? "No teammate of the thrower shall be out of bounds after a designated-spot throw-in begins"

I interpret that to mean if a teammate of the thrower goes out of bounds, it's a throw-in violation. Is that the correct interpretation?

Are we to call a violation or a technical?

That's correct. It's a violation for a seconf player to be OOB when his team's thrower is already OOB with the ball.

Is this true only on a designated throw-in and not true after a made basket? I'm picturing the OOB play where A1 is taking it out against pressure, A2 runs out of bounds where A1 then passes it to him and A1 then goes inbounds to receive the pass.

Is this only a violation if its on a designated throw-in?

You are correct. The restriction is only applicable on a designated spot throwin.

Good to know.

Back In The Saddle Tue Apr 12, 2005 06:58pm

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Originally posted by walter
The only potential rule change that I've heard of (from a committee member)and apparently it is getting very serious consideration is expanding the high school coaching box to match the college coaching box (i.e. end line to 28 foot line). Other than that, nothing dramatic is being discussed.
Seems kind of pointless to me. I think I've seen a coach out of his box on the baseline end maybe once in the last couple of years. It's the other end that coaches seem to want expanded.

rainmaker Tue Apr 12, 2005 08:12pm

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
Quote:

Originally posted by walter
The only potential rule change that I've heard of (from a committee member)and apparently it is getting very serious consideration is expanding the high school coaching box to match the college coaching box (i.e. end line to 28 foot line). Other than that, nothing dramatic is being discussed.
Seems kind of pointless to me. I think I've seen a coach out of his box on the baseline end maybe once in the last couple of years. It's the other end that coaches seem to want expanded.

You may be right over all, but the few times I've had a coach down near the baseline, it's been to rag on my partner or me. To not be able to remind him or her of the box will just increase the wear and tear.

Back In The Saddle Tue Apr 12, 2005 08:56pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
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Originally posted by walter
The only potential rule change that I've heard of (from a committee member)and apparently it is getting very serious consideration is expanding the high school coaching box to match the college coaching box (i.e. end line to 28 foot line). Other than that, nothing dramatic is being discussed.
Seems kind of pointless to me. I think I've seen a coach out of his box on the baseline end maybe once in the last couple of years. It's the other end that coaches seem to want expanded.

You may be right over all, but the few times I've had a coach down near the baseline, it's been to rag on my partner or me. To not be able to remind him or her of the box will just increase the wear and tear.

That was my experience too. If they seriously want to look at improving the coaching box rule, require an electric fence around the existing box. :D

refnrev Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:48pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
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Originally posted by walter

You may be right over all, but the few times I've had a coach down near the baseline, it's been to rag on my partner or me. To not be able to remind him or her of the box will just increase the wear and tear.
That was my experience too. If they seriously want to look at improving the coaching box rule, require an electric fence around the existing box. :D
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johnny1784 Wed Apr 20, 2005 01:48am

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I predict no gray shirts or shot clock. I hope they make the "playing oob" a violation instead of a technical foul. I hope they add some clarification to the term path and to closely guarded.
My reply is old. I would think you are writing about Rule 10-3-3, a player technical is given when leaving the court for an unauthorized reason. You do not give a warning or a violation per the 2004-5 points of emphasis where all players must play within the confines of the playing court (Rules Book, pg.70, 3.a). But most of the replies on this original topic seem to be about Rule 4-41-6 which would be a violation only.

cloverdale Wed Apr 20, 2005 02:48am

thank you johnny 1784
 
i called this because it was just like the poe and the case book...was told that not many officals call this because the penalty is to severe...would like to see this as a violation

Back In The Saddle Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:44am

Re: thank you johnny 1784
 
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Originally posted by cloverdale
i called this because it was just like the poe and the case book...was told that not many officals call this because the penalty is to severe...would like to see this as a violation
Which was my original point. I know of only three officials in my area who made this call this year. The penalty is way too severe for the offense. It needs to be made a violation rather than a technical foul. Hopefully the rules committee has received much feedback on this. Of course, with so few officials calling it, the committee could be deceived into thinking that no news is good news.

26 Year Gap Wed Apr 20, 2005 06:10pm

Electric fence? How about the invisible fence with the dog collar? Of course, it would have to be disabled during timeouts.

Back In The Saddle Wed Apr 20, 2005 06:15pm

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Originally posted by 26 Year Gap
Electric fence? How about the invisible fence with the dog collar? Of course, it would have to be disabled during timeouts.
And wouldn't it be a shame if one timeout somebody forgot to turn it off? :eek: :D

26 Year Gap Wed Apr 20, 2005 06:19pm

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
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Originally posted by 26 Year Gap
Electric fence? How about the invisible fence with the dog collar? Of course, it would have to be disabled during timeouts.
And wouldn't it be a shame if one timeout somebody forgot to turn it off? :eek: :D

Always include the timer & scorer in your pre-game routine. ;)


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