I don't know who will win.

It could be close or a blowout, with either team winning either way.

I simply know that the Heels have had a great season, win or lose. Either way, I'll still have my Heels cap on tomorrow.

Illinois by 5

Williams will have to wait another year.

BTW....holy crap JR, you came out swingin' today.... :eek:

I like how you covered all the bases there BktBallRef, you can't be wrong. Quite the politican. :D

At the start of the tournament I had Oklahoma State beating Illinois and North Carolina winning it all, but I think I might now have to say Illinois will win, even though North Carolina is favored.

You're really going out on a limb here. Are you sure you don't want to add "the game might get cancelled due to an outbreak of malaria" to make sure you don't miss every possibility? :D

Z

Nah, I just honestly don't know how this one will play out. I felt Carolina get to the Final Four and would beat MSU. But I really haven't watched Illnois play, so I'm not sure how they will match up. Listening to all the hype, no one else seems to either. Lots of guessing going on.

Forced to pick a winner, I'd probably pick Illnois.

I hope I'm wrong.

I cannot believe I am going to say this.
 

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I L L.......I N I!!!

Man, did that hurt.

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Peace

I'm picking UNC for this game, but I'm usually wrong about this stuff....

LOL! Thanks a lot Snake! :D

Halftime 40-27, Carolina.

Few things:

-Loose ball, brown falls to the floor, may gets the ball, trips over Brown. Traveling on May - Good call!

-Manuel making some silly fouls, as was the first foul on Felton.

-Shot clock violation by Illnois with 3.9 seconds to go in the half. The ball is beyond the 3 point arc at the top of the key when the clock expires. Why was the throw-in from the baseline?

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Peace

I noticed that, too. But my guess, without seeing the replay, is that the kid's foot was on or inside the FT cirlce when the clock went off.

BTW, I picked UNC in all my brackets, and I'm sticking with them.

That could have been the reason. I am sure this will be talked about. That is a big decision. North Carolina had to go the entire length of the court in a few seconds to end the half.

Peace

Just took a look, Chuck. His foot was a close to the arc as teh UK shooter that hit the 3 against MSU.

Honestly, I think they just lost track of it when they looked at the monitor for a possible clock reset.

No big deal.

How about the no call on May's layup? Charge or flop?

Shot clock violation: Throwin should have been on sideline.
See rules: 9-11, 9-15, 7-5-1

Thanks Rev. Didn't have time to look it up.

I don't have my book here Daryl, but are you saying that the throw-in should be on the sideline even if the player's foot was inside the FT circle?

That was a tough one. My first gut reaction was "Offense", but seeing it again, I can see why the Lead let it go. Looked like the defender may have already been moving backwards (which really shouldn't matter) and was pretty nearly under the basket.

It wasn't inside the FT circle, Chuck.

5 touch fouls :rolleyes:

5th foul looked like a pretty big push to me...

Not sure why I am defending him.
 

I think Packer's point was that his fouls were not good fouls on Augustine's part. The fouls were basically lazy. I can honestly say I do not think he was being critical of the officials. He was stating that Augustine has to be smarter than those plays.

Peace

I don't understand why Williams keeps coming out of the zone. Man to man ain't gettin' it.

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Re: Not sure why I am defending him.
 

No way.. I think he was clearly saying the fouls were touch fouls and should not have been called. He even stated that the 5th call was a touch foul.

I don't either. Illinois is not attacking the zone. Why come out of it.

Peace

Yes.

:)

I told you so. :)

Great game.
 

It was a classic.

Peace

So since I picked the winner, doesn't this mean I win the bracket contest for this forum?

Definately saw that, too.

Re: Not sure why I am defending him.
 

I believe Packer even went on to say that Augistine's fouls were just caused by him not wanting to move his feet and not getting to the spot.

Re: Re: Not sure why I am defending him.
 

He did....when Packer first said "touch fouls", I rolled my eyes, too - but he made it pretty clear with his subsequent comments that he felt Augustine was just playing lazy defense.

Having said that, if that fifth foul was legit, then May should have been called on that move to the hoop earlier in the game where the defender got basically run over.

Still, in the end, Augustine just looked lost out there, like he was just having an off day. It was instructive to watch May dominate every one of the Illinois big guys in that game. A superb performance.

I was pulling hard for Illinois, but it was a great win by NC.

Packer also talked about those supposed "illegal screens" with about 2:00 to go in the game. To me, they didn't look any different than the ones early in the first half - good consistency by the crew.

Re: Re: Re: Not sure why I am defending him.
 

Yes, they were consistent. But consistently ignoring a foul for the sake of consistency isn't necessarily a good thing. Several screens were defintely illegal and should have been called. It occurred throughout the game, not just in the last few minutes. It's a good thing that John Chaney wasn't there.

And just so I'm not accused of being a "fanboy," I thought the play in the first half should have been a PC foul on May. And he definitely traveled when he fell over Brown and on the spin move where he scored and was fouled.

JMHO.

Great game and my congrats to the Tar Heels. Even though I am first of all a Duke fan, I always pull for the ACC. My son was happy (he's a Tar Heel fan) and he won some $$ in his office pool. He knew going in to the final that he would win something. One of the guys in the pool picked Bucknell over Kansas and that win was worth 1 point in the pool. So, my son finished with (I think) $150 and the other guy won $350 so the Bucknell win cost Jay $200. But, his Heels won.

Not entirely consistent
 

Huh?

Re: Not entirely consistent
 

Uh, yeah. I was clearly talking about their approach to the screening.

About the screening...

even though it was consistent, wasn't it really favoring Illinois more though?

(Disclaimer: Only saw about last 10 minutes and read these posts)

Well, yes, because they shot 40 3-pointers. They ran the shooters off those screens all night.

Having watched the game again and no longer being as concerned with the outcome, I think there would 2 that should have been called and 2 more that easily could have been called. But it's water under the bridge now.

Yes, that's true. But it's good to analyze so the same "mistakes" aren't made by us.